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Chinese Cash Is Suddenly Toxic in Silicon Valley, Following U.S. Pressure

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Re: Chinese Cash Is Suddenly Toxic in Silicon Valley, Following U.S. Pressure

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Post by quantummkv »

cmonnow wrote: post #276
cwkoss wrote: post #168

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A reddit user from Hong Kong was recently banned from the /r/pics/ subreddit for posting about their support for the Hong Kong protests against https://www.reddit.com/r/chinareddits/comments/bz177v/got_ba... Tencent recently invested in Reddit. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-11/reddit-users-revolt-o...

The blatant censorship situation in r/india 'official India subreddit' is similar. Any user supporting the incumbent government or speaking against Islamic terrorism gets banned. Similar scenario on r/worldnews. Anti-Muslim posts get removed and users banned, while Anti-Hindu posts get to the front-page. Not surprising, since there are 3 mods who moderate both r/worldnews & r/india

The situation is a nightmare on any "official" subreddit. So much so that I have taken to completely stay of the frontpage, remove all the default subreddits and only explicitly whitelist subreddits based on my interests.

The reddit frontpage is a cesspool worse than 4chan. At least in 4chan people don't try to hide behind fake veneers of moral superiority.

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Post by ionised »

irrational wrote: post #205
KorematsuFred wrote: post #170

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Totally second that. Saudi arabia has been pumping money in India to radicalize muslims with active encouragement from USA. Attempts to stop this fund has always invoked American ire. India's strategic efforts to buy Oil from Iran instead of Barbaria have been hurt by United States. Without american help Saudi Barbaria would be a wasteland. America not just tolerate Barbaria but every actively helps them on internati…

Why do you keep writing Barbaria instead of Arabia? At first I thought it was a typo, but you keep using it. Is that how Arabia is spelled in your native language?

Might be referring the the fact that it is a barbaric tyrannical state.

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Post by ionised »

mehrzad wrote: post #181
briandear wrote: post #180

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Iran funds Hezbollah, thus unless we want to claim Hezbollah is not a terrorist group, then it follows that Iran is a terrorist state, even if through a Hezbollah proxy.

So is the US a terrorist state because it funded the mujahideen and terror linked groups even until recently in Syria?

Honestly, yes.

The United States meets its own definition of a rogue state.

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Post by ionised »

DeonPenny wrote: post #270
entropea wrote: post #104

Could somebody explain to me the vicious American hate for China from a totally uninformed viewpoint? Any links to read why I should also dislike China?

P theft, copycat tech, forced technology transfer, threatening US soldier, aggression toward US allies i.e. japan, taiwan, india

Why are you and the poster above you (espeed) posting the exact same sentences under different user names?

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Post by _khau »

pessimizer wrote: post #147
Mr_Shiba wrote: post #138

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> From a very broad moral perspective, their human rights violations are legion This judgement coming from the country with the highest incarceration rate, criminalized abortion, caged immigrants, historic systematic racism, legal bribery (lobbying), genrrymandering electoral system, countless invasions with disastrous results in the middle east, africa & asia Don't get me wrong but outside the US everyone is wonderi…

It's whataboutism to mention that one has 1.5x more absolute and 5x more per-capita prisoners than a place one calls a police state.

Sorry, but accusing others of whataboutism doesn't detract from your own double standards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#Criticism

Others have criticized the usage of accusations of whataboutism by American news outlets, arguing that the accusation whataboutism has been used to simply "deflect" criticisms of human rights abuses perpetrated by the United States or its allies.

They argue that the usage of the term almost exclusively by American outlets is a double standard, and that moral accusations made by powerful countries are merely a pretext to punish their geopolitical rivals in the face of their own wrongdoing.

In fact, invoking 'whataboutism' in the way you have done is a misuse and a deliberate attempt to deflect.

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Post by bjourne »

jjeaff wrote: post #284
bjourne wrote: post #279

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Why is it ok for US companies to plow billions into China, but not for Chinese companies to plow billions into the US? Seems like a double-standard.

Problems with the overreach and missteps of the US government aside, the US is not systematically silencing its critics through censorship and forced work camps. And the human rights record of China is abysmal in comparison to the US. To think the two are comparable is just head in the sand at this point.

I agree with you. But that was never an issue when US companies invested in China. It appears that cooperating with authoritarian regimes is fine as long as it is your nations companies that comes out on top.

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Post by SkyBelow »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #219
SkyBelow wrote: post #211

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Yes, their claim can be easily falsified by a full investigation.

What is the answer if the result of said investigation is "well, we have no direct evidence"?

That has no bearing on if the claim is falsifiable or not.

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Post by SkyBelow »

ethbro wrote: post #250
SkyBelow wrote: post #211

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Yes, their claim can be easily falsified by a full investigation.

A full investigation by whom? They've broken no laws. Voluntary? Ha. I realize what the parent was attempting to say, but internet rumormongering is poor form.

>A full investigation by whom?

The scientist seeking to determine if it is falsifiable. That no scientist has the resources necessary to do so now does not have bearing on determining if some claim is falsifiable or not.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

SkyBelow wrote: post #297
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the answer if the result of said investigation is "well, we have no direct evidence"?

That has no bearing on if the claim is falsifiable or not.

> falsified by a full investigation

Unless it's a term I'm not aware of, a full investigation is still limited to human actors and limits.

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Post by aclsid »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #183
zaroth wrote: post #76

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Sinophobia , to quote Snicket, is a word which in this sentence means, not wanting to do business with China for national security and geopolitical reasons having nothing to do with race.

There's a fair dose of racism involved, just as there was with the very similar hysteria over Japanese investment in the 1980s.

The same attitude applies to Russians and I doubt you can call racism on that one. Seriously, Chinese call up the racism card far too often for unrelated things for me to take those statements seriously.
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