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Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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There's going to be a point where taking a scooter becomes more attractive for low income people (it's already half the price of a lyft), and then there will be a point where owning your own $400 scooter or $100 bike will make more sense rather than relying on the rental (which is normalizing the idea of riding an electric scooter/bike through a city). I wonder if these companies have dug their own grave.

Owning a bike isn't really that good for commuting. I use Citibike to go to work and pretty much anywhere else they have Citibike docks. People always ask why I don't just buy a bike. I had a bike. It got stolen. If a Citibike gets stolen, that's not my problem. Moreover, I don't have to try to take it on the train, or carry it into a building, or find a place to park it outside where it won't get stolen or vandalize…

If you live/work in a larger building you will probably have dedicated indoor bike parking, which solves the problem of keeping your bike safe at least at those two endpoints.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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> will spell the doom of Uber and Lyft Car sharing isn't going anywhere. It's too convenient. The prices will rise, the number of drivers and passengers will fall and the companies will shrink, but they'll still be around. I have trouble seeing suddenly seeing a day when there's no car share service because they all finally went belly up.

By 'Car sharing' I think you mean taxis. Ride sharing is a tiny fraction of their business. To be fair, one could make the same argument about Pets.com. People will always need dog food, it will always be inconvenient to get it from the shop. But here we are 20 years on and I'd say online delivery of pet supplies across the world is virtually non-existent.

What makes you think it’s non existent? All the pet owners I know order their supplies online. It’s no different from any other form of online shopping, which is ubiquitous.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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Dear Mary, Social Security is not an entitlement in anything but the strictest sense of the word. Every year you put it in your report and group it in like it's some sort of handout by the federal government, but it's not. And every year, you put up a few slides pushing your politically-motivated world view of cutting "expenses", but never bother to note what USA Inc. could do to increase revenues like raising taxes…

Please don't take HN threads on generic political tangents. Your points may be good but this is clearly a step into generic flamewar and therefore the wrong direction for HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I am usually 100% behind you on your attempts to moderate, but I'm not sure I follow you here. But thank you for doing what you do!

In this case it doesn't seem to be a generic political tangent, but specifically addressing what appears to be bias in the report.

I found the post informative and adding context, but then, I'm probably politically aligned with the GP. Which certainly colors my view. :)

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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Owning a bike isn't really that good for commuting. I use Citibike to go to work and pretty much anywhere else they have Citibike docks. People always ask why I don't just buy a bike. I had a bike. It got stolen. If a Citibike gets stolen, that's not my problem. Moreover, I don't have to try to take it on the train, or carry it into a building, or find a place to park it outside where it won't get stolen or vandalize…

But those shared bikes are miserable to ride. The frames are heavy and not stiff enough, no suspension, no pedal clips, etc. They're fine to go a few blocks but for anything longer it's an unpleasant experience.

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Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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From page 29, average customer acquisition cost has risen by ~33% in just the last two years ... they make the point on the next slide that having customer acquisition costs exceed a customer's lifetime value can't really succeed for long. I think this, specifically, is what will spell the doom of Uber and Lyft, and potentially many of the food delivery companies -- they rely on insane growth curves to generate new i…

> will spell the doom of Uber and Lyft Car sharing isn't going anywhere. It's too convenient. The prices will rise, the number of drivers and passengers will fall and the companies will shrink, but they'll still be around. I have trouble seeing suddenly seeing a day when there's no car share service because they all finally went belly up.

IIRC this is how Uber started. They catered for some kind of "bespoke" customer that was more than happy to pay a lot. Another relevant question is what Uber will look like in developing countries where keeping the prices low is necessary even for the middle / upper middle class.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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post #14

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> will spell the doom of Uber and Lyft Car sharing isn't going anywhere. It's too convenient. The prices will rise, the number of drivers and passengers will fall and the companies will shrink, but they'll still be around. I have trouble seeing suddenly seeing a day when there's no car share service because they all finally went belly up.

IIRC this is how Uber started. They catered for some kind of "bespoke" customer that was more than happy to pay a lot. Another relevant question is what Uber will look like in developing countries where keeping the prices low is necessary even for the middle / upper middle class.

Its easy in developing countries where income inequality is so big that there are people willing to provide the service for little less than dirt.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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The question is: will Uber and Lyft always be the entities leading car-ordering apps? Hypothetically, Uber and Lyft stock prices could collapse, Google and Apple buy them, respectively, and then they could become features in Google and Apple Maps, as opposed to standalone companies and apps. Sure, there are additional logistics, city management, back-end processing pieces that are not trivial. But the customer app ex…

I mean, even in this scenario the company still exists, just with a different brand. They'll still have the same code, the same infrastructure, the same users. If Facebook buys Oculus, that doesn't mean Oculus stops existing. It just means Oculus is now owned by Facebook.

In a strictly legal and technical sense yes, but IMHO a company going down the toilet that is sold for parts at a loss hasn’t really survived in any meaningful sense.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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50% of the world with access to the internet, that's staggering. Slide 10 shows that there's still a lot of room for growth in Asia Pacific and Africa & Middle East regions, but clearly there are bigger issues involved there.

80% the world has never been on an an airplane, either.

Many of what we take for granted in the developed world, and even in India/China, have barely been introduced to the vast majority of people.

Re: Mary Meeker’s 2019 internet trends report [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't take HN threads on generic political tangents. Your points may be good but this is clearly a step into generic flamewar and therefore the wrong direction for HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I am usually 100% behind you on your attempts to moderate, but I'm not sure I follow you here. But thank you for doing what you do! In this case it doesn't seem to be a generic political tangent, but specifically addressing what appears to be bias in the report. I found the post informative and adding context, but then, I'm probably politically aligned with the GP. Which certainly colors my view. :)

There may be such a bias. But the question from our point of view is which exerts the stronger gravitational pull: details of how such bias affects this analysis? or a generic political flamewar about "entitlements"? Since the latter topic has far more mass and charge, it's going to win every time. Does that make sense?

The dynamics of introducing hot controversies into a discussion are predictable. If a comment is to avoid having that effect, it needs to include information specific to the topic at hand and eliminate any traces of flamebait.

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