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RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

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post #75

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Is that possible without special hardware to detect EM radiation?

You usually need an antenna, yes. Does that matter?

It makes attacks much more limited. You need physical access to whatever machine you're attacking, versus being able to distribute code to millions of machines at once over the internet. That matters a ton.

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

#102
post #99
post #96

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Maybe hardware will have to become more programmable in the future so you can fix some of these flaws without needing to replace anything.

It can't just be turtles all the way down.

Can you make an FPGA out of an FPGA?

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that possible without special hardware to detect EM radiation?

Well "special hardware to detect EM radiation" is most often software-defined radios like HackRF or BladeRF among others down to TV reception dongles you can get for a few dollars (search for RTL-SDR)

I look forward to the day when SDRs are inside smartphones.

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

#104
post #99
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe hardware will have to become more programmable in the future so you can fix some of these flaws without needing to replace anything.

It can't just be turtles all the way down.

Is it a known phrase or your good sense of humour?

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

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post #97

From the speed figures (many hours of setup and runtime, very low read rate) I can suggest that restarting your important service often, and moving it between VMs, would prevent an attack like that. In many deployments, automatic scaling and failover already provide the necessary mechanics. Then the Chaos Monkey suddenly becomes a security enforcement tool :)

> From the speed figures ...

You know what software's like, though. What today takes the blood of a virgin and a dozen dribbly candles will be doable next week with a toothpick and three cc's of mouse blood.

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

#108

Shortly after I joined Microsoft in 2004, all new feature work on Windows Longhorn (Vista) was halted. There had been yet another high profile computer virus on Windows XP caused by a buffer overflow. It was an all-hands-on-deck type moment. Everyone spent weeks adding SAL (source-code annotation language) annotations to the entire Windows code base. SAL annotations enabled automated source code analysis to identify…

> SAL annotations

Are there tools for developers to use these (e.g. with VC++), or are they all Microsoft internal?

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

#109

Whenever you have sharing, you usually have side channels. We're going to see more and more of this until we have much better hardware isolation. This is a kind of obvious variant of Rowhammer, which hasn't generally been fixed AFAIK. Hardware in the late 2010s seems a bit like Windows in the late 1990s - a house of cards waiting to collapse, but the dominant vendors know that very few customers are willing to pay mo…

Intel hardware, not AMD.

Re: RAMBleed Attack – Reading Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them

#110

Whenever you have sharing, you usually have side channels. We're going to see more and more of this until we have much better hardware isolation. This is a kind of obvious variant of Rowhammer, which hasn't generally been fixed AFAIK. Hardware in the late 2010s seems a bit like Windows in the late 1990s - a house of cards waiting to collapse, but the dominant vendors know that very few customers are willing to pay mo…

Real-world side channels are going to start getting more attention as the technology and techniques for extracting information from EM radiation from circuits (not radios) leaking state improve.

I was unaware that there were high-speed digital circuits that weren't also radios.
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