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Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by dlivingston »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #153
Reedx wrote: post #108

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That's a fair question. Just think about how many cats and dogs are stuck inside small apartments most of their lives.

Why just getting stuck in apartment or home? Most of the pet dogs here (in the US) are spayed/neutered so they have no reproductive purpose left. They are basically just living toys for the amusement of the owners.

How asinine. Humans and dogs have evolved (literally) a wonderful co-dependency over the last 10,000 years - it is not a one way street.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by jdsully »

jeromegv wrote: post #169
jdsully wrote: post #33

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It’s an election year in Canada and the race is close. Expect more feel good laws that don’t actually change much.

If you actually follow activists such as @walruswhisperer you will realize this is much more than a feel good law, this is huge and they have been pushing for this legislation for a very long time.

Oh I’m sure people have been backing this for a very long time. But the reason it’s become law at this time is the election.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by dlivingston »

uhhhhhhh wrote: post #136
Muha_ wrote: post #87

Yes, it painful for me to look at animals in narrow cages where they slowly go mad whith monotony. (next - by the Thanos voice) But in general I can't understand the logic. In the wild, the animal has hard life. It will sooner or later be injured, sick, starving, and even eaten alive. But these sufferings are considered as normal because they are "natural". In the well-maintained zoo, the animals eat, sleep, and a bi…

Animals have spent billions of years evolving to live in and handle the world they naturally inhabit. Taking them out of that, putting them in a small cages where they don't feel safe, they don't understand whats happening. They are surrounded by things that are threats in the wild, noises they aren't familiar with, etc.. Putting a wild animal in a cage isn't "boredom", its torture. > Now biological evolution is comp…

You forget that we are wild too; though we have traded real jungles for concrete jungles, our biology has not changed

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Post by standardUser »

Gpetrium wrote: post #101

Zoos can serve as an opportunity for people from different demographics to be able to see a small sample of what the world has to offer. It can also help facilitate conservation efforts by allowing people to have direct & indirect interactions with the animals and professionals in the area, which they would not have otherwise. Some people have advised to "Close Zoos and encourage people to see the animal in nature" w…

Zoos would be great if they were all world class research institutions and rehabilitation centers. We'd have far, far fewer zoos and the ones remaining would be of a higher quality.

Instead, every jurisdiction with two zip codes has its own mediocre animal jail. Not to mention the uncountable number of private zoos. I'd personally like to see those regulated out of existence, except when very high standards of welfare can be met.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

technovader wrote: post #143
rifung wrote: post #128

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> If society believes that some animals should not be in captivity at all due to moral/practical reasons, it is worth asking: What other technologically driven solutions can be made/used to help people of all demographics experience what it is like to be in front of X animal Seems like the perfect use case for VR?

Let's solve everything with VR. Throw in some cryptochain as well for good measure.

brilliant! can we call in cryptozoology?

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

Gpetrium wrote: post #101

Zoos can serve as an opportunity for people from different demographics to be able to see a small sample of what the world has to offer. It can also help facilitate conservation efforts by allowing people to have direct & indirect interactions with the animals and professionals in the area, which they would not have otherwise. Some people have advised to "Close Zoos and encourage people to see the animal in nature" w…

In Hawaii myself and a friend have been working to convince the local tourism industry to organize into a self-regulating body which aims to aid marine science, educate the public through workshops and exposure to wildlife, and to do so without adversely impacting sea creatures' abilities to perform their essential life functions. There were some people on Moku O Keawe working on something similar for manta tourism.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Post by braythwayt »

romellem wrote: post #132
braythwayt wrote: post #59

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I grew up with zoos and aquariums, and I have fond memories of them. But of course, I wasn't kept in one. And furthermore... Zoos and aquariums are not nature. They are exhibits in a kind of museum. If we want people to see nature, we have to preserve actual nature and encourage people to visit it. Visiting a zoo is not visiting nature, and I personally worry that equivocating the two is dangerous. I would not want p…

> If we want people to see nature, we have to preserve actual nature and encourage people to visit it. Visiting a zoo is not visiting nature, and I personally worry that equivocating the two is dangerous. I don’t find this compelling, and think that you are missing the point: visiting zoos is a way to inspire people to care about nature such that they will want to preserve it. I was at a zoological society fundraiser…

To each their own. My children seem just as inspired by today’s documentaries as I was by zoos, and my daughter has decided she wants to be a Veterinarian.

She seems quite aware that zoos are prisons for animals, and although she did like them when she was too young to understand all of the ramifications, today she is not interested in visiting our local zoo at all.

What you are repeating here is that zoos are a kind of propaganda for protecting nature, not that zoos protect nature.

Therefore, zoos are not an intrinsic good, they are one possible strategy for motivating people to actually protect nature.

Saying that zoos are good in this fashion is like saying that advertising is good because it may motivate people to do good. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make advertising an intrinsic good.

An intrinsic good is something internal to the thing itself. What you are actually arguing is that zoos are an extrinsic good, that the goodness of the zoo happens somewhere else, in the actual nature, and somewhen else, when the kids grow up.

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Post by throwaway6574 »

Gpetrium wrote: post #101

Zoos can serve as an opportunity for people from different demographics to be able to see a small sample of what the world has to offer. It can also help facilitate conservation efforts by allowing people to have direct & indirect interactions with the animals and professionals in the area, which they would not have otherwise. Some people have advised to "Close Zoos and encourage people to see the animal in nature" w…

Should we lock few human specimen for these animals to see? Why do we need to held animals in a cage to fulfill our desires?
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