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Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Right. But that goes for everything? When are we required to get concerned? Just mammals? All the way to bugs?

There's lots of grey area, and it all ends up being personal preference, but I think if one makes it a goal to always empathize it's a great starting point.

Oh yes, the slaughter of dolphins is tragic and wrong. Not because they are our 'brothers', but because they have value as part of the whole ecosystem.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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> If society believes that some animals should not be in captivity at all due to moral/practical reasons, it is worth asking: What other technologically driven solutions can be made/used to help people of all demographics experience what it is like to be in front of X animal Seems like the perfect use case for VR?

Let's solve everything with VR. Throw in some cryptochain as well for good measure.

VR can give you an experience for something you'll be unlikely to ever do yourself for real.

It may also allow you to experience animals that have gone extinct.

It's not a technology without merit.

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That's a fair question. Just think about how many cats and dogs are stuck inside small apartments most of their lives.

Or on a roof/balcony. Living in Guadalajara, I've wanted to put many dogs out of their misery. Left on the roof as thief-deterrent to go completely crazy. Our treatment of animals (pets, meat) is one of the indicators of how primitive we still are as a civilization... or, god forbid, species.

To be fair we treat people really badly too. We just suck as a species.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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post #128

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> If society believes that some animals should not be in captivity at all due to moral/practical reasons, it is worth asking: What other technologically driven solutions can be made/used to help people of all demographics experience what it is like to be in front of X animal Seems like the perfect use case for VR?

Let's solve everything with VR. Throw in some cryptochain as well for good measure.

Weird reply. This is precisely a use case where VR in particular is useful.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Man, I went to a wedding a few years ago, at a big indoor shopping mall with a connected hotel, in Alberta. This mall had a pool that apparently usually had dolphins, except they didn't at that time, apparently because "(shrug), they kept dying" according to someone who lived there.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Why not make water-zoos voluntarily, aka, the animals can return to the ocean, but can get a free meal & protection at the zoo at certain times? Oh, right, plastic in the ocean + fishing and dangers.

I'm no expert, but can you imagine pitching investors on an idea that involves selling tickets to see a creature that may or may not ever show up?

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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"Monday's vote notably impacts Marineland, the Niagara Falls amusement park and zoo that is considered the last Canadian park committed to keeping cetaceans in captivity." Wow, so they passed a national law that essentially targets just a single park? How often does that happen anywhere? (I know the back story but I never knew Marineland was the only place... not saying this is wrong or right, just surprised)

It’s an election year in Canada and the race is close. Expect more feel good laws that don’t actually change much.

If you actually follow activists such as @walruswhisperer you will realize this is much more than a feel good law, this is huge and they have been pushing for this legislation for a very long time.

Re: Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity

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Zoos can serve as an opportunity for people from different demographics to be able to see a small sample of what the world has to offer. It can also help facilitate conservation efforts by allowing people to have direct & indirect interactions with the animals and professionals in the area, which they would not have otherwise. Some people have advised to "Close Zoos and encourage people to see the animal in nature" w…

As a kid I loved zoos. As an adult, I think zoos are an anachronism from a time with different values. If there wasn't a single zoo today, would a zoo be the best way to share animal life with the world? I am guessing we could do better.
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