As someone who has managed 10k endpoints, BYOD is a very niche solution. The security threats that any company with data worth stealing has is non-trivial. Those folk in this thread moaning about corporate spyware, are living on another planet. Nobody has the resources, or the motivation to spy on anyone. When Oracle, Adobe and Microsoft come a knocking, knowing what is installed and being able to uninstall it save a $1 million, easy.
Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
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Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…
what company has 470k employees?
My guess is that he is talking about Accenture
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#53Ah, so this is why they killed all the other MDM based school management apps. Well played Apple.
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…
what company has 470k employees?
Amazon had 647,500 as of 2018...
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…
> while still being officially allowed to take the devices home with us, use them privately and so on. Who owns the rights to IP developed on these company-owned laptops? One of the biggest problems with this kind of ‘unspoken flexibility’ is that any side projects you work on are in-part owned by the company, under most standard agreements.
Isn't that the case regardless of what laptop you're using? As far as I can tell you should assume any side projects are Copyright (c) your employer unless you talk to legal first and make an arrangement (for each project).
See for example: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/09/developers-side-pr...
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's kind of weird that the employer wants the employee to bring their device, but don't want to trust the employee's device anyway.
Sometimes it is not about trust. It is about regulations within the industry one works/contracts in. But if this is the case I believe strongly, that the employer must provide the necessary tooling.
Which regulation requires spyware on endpoints, and where in the text does it say that?
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> while still being officially allowed to take the devices home with us, use them privately and so on. Who owns the rights to IP developed on these company-owned laptops? One of the biggest problems with this kind of ‘unspoken flexibility’ is that any side projects you work on are in-part owned by the company, under most standard agreements.
Isn't that the case regardless of what laptop you're using? As far as I can tell you should assume any side projects are Copyright (c) your employer unless you talk to legal first and make an arrangement (for each project). See for example: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/09/developers-side-pr...
No, what you do on your own time (not company time) with your own resources can't be owned by the company, because otherwise everything you do would be owned by the company, which is absurd; suppose I went to a friend or relative and helped him/her out by writing a simple script, does that belong to the company now? How about posts you make on HN outside of work (if you do it at work, that's... questionable)?
The possibility of companies disagreeing is why I keep my work and private life completely separate, and the online portion of the latter does not even use my name nor anything that could be associated with my "offline" identity.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Naturally. I never got the BYOD thing. My employer should provide the required tools, if not, then the work is done within the constraints of what is available.
The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.
You're doing it on their time, not yours. If they don't want you to be productive, you don't have to be.
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sometimes it is not about trust. It is about regulations within the industry one works/contracts in. But if this is the case I believe strongly, that the employer must provide the necessary tooling.
Which regulation requires spyware on endpoints, and where in the text does it say that?
Anything in financial services and probably health requires you to secure company data.
Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that the case regardless of what laptop you're using? As far as I can tell you should assume any side projects are Copyright (c) your employer unless you talk to legal first and make an arrangement (for each project). See for example: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/09/developers-side-pr...
No, what you do on your own time (not company time) with your own resources can't be owned by the company, because otherwise everything you do would be owned by the company, which is absurd; suppose I went to a friend or relative and helped him/her out by writing a simple script, does that belong to the company now? How about posts you make on HN outside of work (if you do it at work, that's... questionable)? The pos…
Please see the link I added. You should check your employment contract to see the exact terms of the copyright assignment clause you signed, but it's definitely very common to have to assign any inventions you make that are "related to your employers area of work", regardless of what hardware you use or if you do it in the office or at home.