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Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by fuzz4lyfe »

dingaling wrote: post #38
adrianN wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

Which is nice in theory, but irrelevant to the employer when they can just tell you to 'work smarter' or face a PIP. Expenditure: $0. Of course the long-term cost is higher, but that's not a line-item expense. Honestly, I've been there; coding on a single 15" screen. Eventually most employees brought in a second monitor from home.

It's a good signal, these people are cheap and are going to nickel and dime you time to move on.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by Quequau »

I am not a wealthy man but there is no way I'd sign up for using any of my employer's comms infrastructure for personal use or use any of my personal equipment for business use.

I don't live to work and there's no reason to hand over any more info about my personal life than necessary.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by forgone »

sdoering wrote: post #18
mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…

what company has 470k employees?

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by elithrar »

sdoering wrote: post #18
mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…

> while still being officially allowed to take the devices home with us, use them privately and so on.

Who owns the rights to IP developed on these company-owned laptops? One of the biggest problems with this kind of ‘unspoken flexibility’ is that any side projects you work on are in-part owned by the company, under most standard agreements.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by naveen99 »

adrianN wrote: post #32
fuzzy2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with employer-provided tools is that they sometimes barely meet the minimum requirements. Sure it gets the job done, but it’s no fun. I’d rather buy and manage my own device, which is then powerful enough for my needs.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

People who are willing to bring their own device are helped by a few people who refuse to and just work less efficiently as a result. This puts a limit on how much surplus the employer can squeeze out of the more efficient employees as the less efficient ones set a lower floor for productivity.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by jconnop »

forgone wrote: post #43
sdoering wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…

what company has 470k employees?

http://fortune.com/global500/list/filtered?sortBy=employees

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by koolba »

mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

> Buying a cheap extra work phone and carrying two phones is not that big a burden. Plus you can turn off the work phone during personal time, and turn off the personal phone during work.

They (the company) better be the ones buying it. You shouldn’t have to pay to give your employer the ability to contact you outside of normal work hours.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by joefife »

forgone wrote: post #43
sdoering wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in general. And I do not get the BYOD thing. As another commenter said, an employer should provide the tools necessary. Or live with the constraints. I am in another camp. Until recently my employer had a policy of treating our devices somewhat like private devices. We are provided with the device, are allowed to use them at home at will, are full admins. We are only requested to encrypt the harddrive. My emp…

what company has 470k employees?

Well the NHS has nearly 1.5 million employees, so I guess there's a few!

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by thrower123 »

LIV2 wrote: post #34
adrianN wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your employer doesn't provide the tools you need it's time to talk to them about how much time you lose due to crappy hardware and how many hours of your salary would pay for a better machine.

From experience it's usually that the employee thinks they need the most powerful 15" Macbook pro when their job entails something like writing blog posts or running code in AWS

And from experience, those squeaky wheels get the grease and the engineers flog along with what they have because they are too busy to put the necessary amount of complaining in.

Re: Apple is making corporate ‘BYOD’ programs less invasive to user privacy

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Post by throw0101a »

koolba wrote: post #47
mysterypie wrote: post #11

An obvious solution is to carry two devices: one for work, on which the company can install whatever corporate spyware they want, and one for personal use. There's no way I'm letting my employer administer or install unknown programs on my personal laptop and cell even with this enrollment option. This has nothing to do with trusting or distrusting Apple. It's due to avoiding complexity: having to think about a zilli…

> Buying a cheap extra work phone and carrying two phones is not that big a burden. Plus you can turn off the work phone during personal time, and turn off the personal phone during work. They (the company) better be the ones buying it. You shouldn’t have to pay to give your employer the ability to contact you outside of normal work hours.

> They (the company) better be the ones buying it.

In which case it's not really BYOD anymore. :)

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