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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by codycraven »

geofft wrote: post #116
fc373745 wrote: post #103

Seems like a lot of accusations against the Chinese and their tech is being force fed down our throats lately. Not surprising, since we are currently within a trade war and any opportunity to drive out Chinese competition would be taken - especially since Huawei would have been a huge competitor in the smartphone market (I heard their camera quality is currently the best). I"m skeptical, as some of these accusations…

The passive voice here is fascinating. Huawei did something! What did they do? They got accused. Who is accusing them? AKHAN Semiconductor (and the FBI), a small company in Illinois whose primary product is these diamond-coated screens. Past their founder, the second person on their about page is their "Vice President of Government Affairs;" the third person listed on their about page is their "Global Security and In…

I had a friend at Huawei about a year ago tell me how they had lawyers come in and prep them on the exact procedures they should follow in the event of an FBI raid. This was well before I heard anything in the news about China, Huawei, etc tensions.

Knowing this, I personally give quite a bit of weight to any accusation against the company. I have a hard time justifying in my mind that a company operating legitimately in the US would prep their employees on how to respond during an FBI raid.

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Post by spectramax »

matz1 wrote: post #159
spectramax wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really despise this kind of reasoning. You’re literally comparing 200 year old history and justifying modern IP theft, and projecting forward.

Stealing works. If the benefit > risk, they should do it.

What an insane argument. Murder, Theft, Deceit, Assault, Terrorism “works” as well. Being a crow in the population of doves has short term benefits to the individual, the crow in this case, but soon more crows will pop up and the societal balance turns into chaos.

I’m sure we need not argue this obvious fact. Are you really condoning that stealing OK if it works? I’m speechless.

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Post by spectramax »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #121
rexarex wrote: post #70

Cisco was a rip off of The Stanford Blue Box. AFAIK the deans of the biz school and CS school founded Cisco with tech created by Stanford and were almost sued. Stanford decided that it wasn’t worth the potential bad press to be sueing faculty.

"Someone else does it too" isn't a very strong argument. We may be approaching a world where all critical infrastructure must be open hardware and software, or face a Balkenizd patchwork of suppliers local to each market. (Not a Cisco or Huawei fan myself.)

I love how people are trying to justify Huawei’s practices through asinine ways. Huawei needs to be criticized, banned, ostracized and condemned in the strongest way possible.

China is lost its credibility a long time ago - the rest of the world cannot blindly trust any Chinese company. The Chinese has mismanaged their “brand” to reap short term benefits. It can only go so far. Doing business with honesty, integrity and following appropriate laws is crucial for long term partnerships. Trust is one of the most important aspects in business.

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Post by FullyFunctional »

rayiner wrote: post #81
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #66

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It's a spillover from the right wing reddits. Always starts with "it's in their culture" never mind that almost all of the Chinese expats are just hard working normal humans. Their government might be effed up but it's a bit of a long jump to blame their culture

I find the “it’s their culture” thing inappropriate too. (Especially because it seems to be more a deliberate economic/political strategy.) But you’ve mentioned one of my pet peeves so I am going to weigh in. You can’t judge a country by its expats. The expats are, after all, the ones who left (or were driven out). They’re not representative. Really, there is something a little odd with them—what kind of person aband…

You have issue with a generalist "it's their culture" and in the same breath generalize about ex-pats? Do you perhaps see a problem with that?

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Post by ethbro »

riffraff wrote: post #165
ethbro wrote: post #163

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You're talking about a company whose majority ownership is some sort of murky "employee coop without voting rights." The modern Chinese legal system isn't nearly as predicable as other jurisdictions.

well, but the chinese legal system is not the issue here, we're talking about silencing media reporting on a scandal of sorts, outside of china.

All external reporting begins with a seed, and that seed plays very different in a closed society without free speech protection.

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Post by est »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #95
solarkraft wrote: post #87

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Different tech. Huawei's folding displays were made by BOE.

They were made by BOE who stole stole/copied the tech from Samsung. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Samsung-supplier-...

If BOE stole from Samsung, then what did Toptec steal?

> They are accused of passing on Samsung technologies related to curved-edge smartphone panels that use organic light-emitting diodes, or OLED, to four companies.

If you want to play the finger pointing game at least play it straight.

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Post by kyriakos »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #146
kyriakos wrote: post #122

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This could just mean they want to reinforce their brand by being next to the big guys. Doesn't mean they are spying even if that is a possibility.

They might also want to poach employees, being close to where they work already is a good way to do that.

Possibly true, but these are tactics any tech company could use. Not illegal. Snooping on competitor communications is a different story though.

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Post by choonway »

m0zg wrote: post #119
filoleg wrote: post #74

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I don’t know, man. What i am about to say is anecdotal, but as someone who went through educational system (up until beginning of high school) in Russia, it was the same there. As soon as teacher left for a bathroom break in the middle of the class, there would always be a few students who spring up to the desk and search real quick for answer sheets for the upcoming exam or something like that. No one would call the…

I also don't know, man, but that sounds so un-Russian to me, I, as a Russian myself, am having trouble believing it. It wasn't like that 25-30 years ago. Nobody would call people out in general, because in Russian culture being a snitch is one of the worst thing you can be, but nobody would go as far as to rummage through teacher's papers. Cheating was pretty rampant in other ways: people would bring cheatsheets to e…

from a lecturer's perspective - It's not a problem if students pass - it's a problem if everybody gets an 'A' and there was no way to differentiate the cohort.

It's a problem if too many fail - you have people retaking subjects and you don't have enough lecturers for additional classes - there are new students coming through the pipeline. Consequently, a minimum pass is usually indicative of the 'end of the road' and go get a job.

Your marks are adjusted to pass. Unless you never attended classes at all or didn't hand up coursework, you are unlikely to fail.

If the exams were crazy hard... that's because it was a wrong solution to the problem.

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Post by choonway »

tepidandroid wrote: post #145
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

> It’s built into their culture. Singaporean exceptionalism, arrogance and small state syndrome are similarly “well known” phenomena - can you see how it would be wrong or even harmful of me to perpetuate such stereotypes?

Yes. Along 'chopping' - or reservation of seats using tissue paper, not returning utensils after eating in a hawker center. You die your problem. You suffer I sleep well tonight. Just google ugly Singaporean.

Yes those ugly habits are "in the Singaporean culture". I find it a lost cause to fight against it.

If everybody cheats, do you not cheat? Does that count as "in your culture"? If everybody takes bribes, do you not give them? Is that "in your culture"?

Our government wanted to ban spitting in public places. I still see old folks do it.

You need generational change to change culture. Or some catastrophe.

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Post by m0zg »

choonway wrote: post #178
m0zg wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't know, man, but that sounds so un-Russian to me, I, as a Russian myself, am having trouble believing it. It wasn't like that 25-30 years ago. Nobody would call people out in general, because in Russian culture being a snitch is one of the worst thing you can be, but nobody would go as far as to rummage through teacher's papers. Cheating was pretty rampant in other ways: people would bring cheatsheets to e…

from a lecturer's perspective - It's not a problem if students pass - it's a problem if everybody gets an 'A' and there was no way to differentiate the cohort. It's a problem if too many fail - you have people retaking subjects and you don't have enough lecturers for additional classes - there are new students coming through the pipeline. Consequently, a minimum pass is usually indicative of the 'end of the road' and…

What I meant to say, there was a bit of an arms race going on, especially in higher education. The professors and teachers knew many (if not all) students were cheating, so they adjusted the difficulty accordingly, so that, as you point out, not everyone gets an A. I don't know if it's still going on.

And I did have a few professors which considered it a problem if more than half of their class passed the first time they took the exam.

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