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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

m463 wrote: post #38
walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

Interesting - in silicon valley Huawei has a building just a short distance from both Intel and Nvidia's main headquarters.

They had an office next to Apple and Amazon and Seagate in Cupertino as well.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by rhizome »

Leary wrote: post #56
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

Are they doing the stereotyping, or are they identifying instances of it? That is, people not avoiding the stereotype. I doubt it's a mystery, I know the stereotypes of white people and white men, and I strive to counteract them. As far as I know it's the only way to fight stereotypes.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by fc373745 »

Seems like a lot of accusations against the Chinese and their tech is being force fed down our throats lately. Not surprising, since we are currently within a trade war and any opportunity to drive out Chinese competition would be taken - especially since Huawei would have been a huge competitor in the smartphone market (I heard their camera quality is currently the best).

I"m skeptical, as some of these accusations are not that far-fetched. What I'm more concerned of, is whether or not this is driven by some higher entity so that mass-hatred for the Chinese and their tech is accumulated, which would mean state driven media.

Despite all of these accusations of being one step behind, Huawei seems to be on the forefront of a lot of things - especially in the field of 5G, so it would seem possible that the US would pull some propaganda antics to make us reconsider Huawei and Chinese Tech

Its tough trying to read and discern for yourself anything on the web nowadays - as for this matter, I'm putting my thoughts on Huawei and Chinese tech on hold since I think both cases are true - That there are some concerns with tech theft against the chinese, but its also being extremely exaggerated.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by scoot_718 »

Leary wrote: post #56
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

It's so rife in the academic world that it goes beyond stereotype.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by sonnyblarney »

dnomad wrote: post #82
Leary wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

HN has gone completely off the rails. See my comment above. It's been like this for more than a year now. This sort of outright racist hate speech is now completely normal on HN and is eagerly embraced.

Some behaviours are normative in some places and not in others, for whatever reasons.

Some are mundane, some we don't notice, some we don't care about, some we misinterpret.

But 'cheating' is a problem in China which I have come to believe is factually true. Have a gander [1]

Also, thousands of Chinese ex-pat students have been expelled from US schools. [2]

[1] https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1974986...

[2] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/money-wealth/article/1812115...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by spectramax »

pravda wrote: post #63
jxramos wrote: post #20

Do these companies ever actually innovate and build social/intellectual capital beyond reverse engineering skills or are they gaming to pollute the waters so much that they risk sacrificing the golden goose to whom they steal ideas? This all sort of reminds me of the quip communism or socialism only works until those in charge spend all the money of those who are productive. If IP and the R&D expenses never become pr…

Well, in the USA, American industry got its start by stealing British technology. At this point, China copying foreign technology is just the path of least resistance. Eventually, China will be doing the innovating.

I really despise this kind of reasoning. You’re literally comparing 200 year old history and justifying modern IP theft, and projecting forward.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by choonway »

codedokode wrote: post #85
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Is it really limited to chinese culture? US had Echelon to spy on other countries' communications, Israel had destroyed Iranian program to have atomic energy. Europeans have stolen the secret of manufacturing a porcelain. West and Russia have stolen German secrets of making rockets after the war. Nobody wants to play fair. And if you look at mobile game market, there everyone is stealing ideas from each other.

Is cheating/stealing something you want to perpetuate (cuz revenge or something), or something you want to call out?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by AFascistWorld »

codedokode wrote: post #100
AFascistWorld wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12462/matebook-x-pro-2018-hua... https://www.anandtech.com/show/12848/honors-thinandlight-mag... https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/8/31/17803516/h... https://consumer.huawei.com/cn/support/accessories/ai-speake... The company just can't quit copying. You can get a whiff of the company culture from this guy. https://m.weibo.cn/u/3626485974?uid=3626485974&luicode=10000...

What's wrong with Matebook? It has the same color, a similar shape, and a similar keyboard as a Macbook? If Apple feels that it violates their patents, why don't they sue? US patent laws are pretty strict and this is the normal way to resolve such cases. Also if you Google a bit, you can see that there are similar lawsuits against US companies. For example, a Korean company believes (and had win in courts in some cou…

Yeah you can always be inspired by others. https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/9196f7a9gy1g08e99znw9j20u01s612...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by rayiner »

fc373745 wrote: post #103

Seems like a lot of accusations against the Chinese and their tech is being force fed down our throats lately. Not surprising, since we are currently within a trade war and any opportunity to drive out Chinese competition would be taken - especially since Huawei would have been a huge competitor in the smartphone market (I heard their camera quality is currently the best). I"m skeptical, as some of these accusations…

If you look at the reports, it’s been out there for a long time. It’s not some new thing. I heard the anecdote I recounted below (about copying routers down to the silk screening) more than a decade ago. If you’ve worked in telecom/networking, this is common knowledge.
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