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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by rayiner »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #66
Leary wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

It's a spillover from the right wing reddits. Always starts with "it's in their culture" never mind that almost all of the Chinese expats are just hard working normal humans. Their government might be effed up but it's a bit of a long jump to blame their culture

I find the “it’s their culture” thing inappropriate too. (Especially because it seems to be more a deliberate economic/political strategy.) But you’ve mentioned one of my pet peeves so I am going to weigh in. You can’t judge a country by its expats. The expats are, after all, the ones who left (or were driven out). They’re not representative. Really, there is something a little odd with them—what kind of person abandons their country and all their family ties and moves across the world? Typical people don’t do that. My dad is one of those people. He’s a by the book rule follower, and Bangladeshis typically are ... more flexible. It drove him crazy. Then when he got the chance, he packed up his family and pretty much never looked back.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by dnomad »

Leary wrote: post #56
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

HN has gone completely off the rails. See my comment above. It's been like this for more than a year now. This sort of outright racist hate speech is now completely normal on HN and is eagerly embraced.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by z2 »

Leary wrote: post #56
choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

I used to be angry at these posts, but now I'm just sad. Despite the GP then saying it's 'PRC Chinese' vs 'Singaporean Chinese,' it's still unclear if this is a broad swipe at an ethnic group, a nation's people, or their culture at large. It's just easy to vent unsubstantiated anger when it's the popular thing to do.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by jessaustin »

Whatarethese wrote: post #31

I'd be throwing my phone in the trash right about now. I would venture to guess all Huawei data is going to China.

Why would I care about someone in China knowing about my doctor's appointment or recent sports browsing? Why would anyone in China care to know about it?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by codedokode »

choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

Is it really limited to chinese culture? US had Echelon to spy on other countries' communications, Israel had destroyed Iranian program to have atomic energy. Europeans have stolen the secret of manufacturing a porcelain. West and Russia have stolen German secrets of making rockets after the war. Nobody wants to play fair.

And if you look at mobile game market, there everyone is stealing ideas from each other.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by tooltalk »

swang wrote: post #53
jarfil wrote: post #41

It's kind of funny to speak of "stealing tech" when it's the foreign companies themselves who give Chinese manufacturers all that's needed to set up production lines to make the tech. Like, what did you expect, that they wouldn't run third shifts or sell the stuff to whoever paid them for it?

i think what happened in samsung's case was an employee stole the blueprints and sold them to china.

That's been going for some time. This case was unique in that the Korean authority caught some rogue Samsung suppliers smuggling Samsung's high-tech OLED manufacturing machinaries their factories in South Korea to China.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by AFascistWorld »

codedokode wrote: post #69
walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

> Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, If it violates the patents, then why did the company not sue Huawei and get a compensation? If it doesn't violate the patents then what's the problem?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12462/matebook-x-pro-2018-hua... https://www.anandtech.com/show/12848/honors-thinandlight-mag... https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/8/31/17803516/h... https://consumer.huawei.com/cn/support/accessories/ai-speake...

The company just can't quit copying.

You can get a whiff of the company culture from this guy. https://m.weibo.cn/u/3626485974?uid=3626485974&luicode=10000...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by fc373745 »

walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

>So what happened? Were listening devices found at the Nortel Campus or not?

The Department of National Defence keeps changing its story on that issue.

>But after the Citizen article was published, Julie Di Mambro, spokeswoman for then Conservative Defence Minister Rob Nicholson, noted in a statement that, “security officials have assured us that they have not discovered any bugs or listening devices.”

The first article seems to heavily imply that there is no definite conclusion to this matter.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by solarkraft »

threeseed wrote: post #75
swang wrote: post #13

wasn't samsung's foldable tech stolen as well? makes sense considering how fast huawei was able to get it.

I posted this a while back about why Samsung rushed the release of their foldable phone: a) Samsung spent a ton of money and research in building foldable OLED screens. b) This technology is allegedly stolen by a supplier and sold to BOE Display: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Samsung-supplier-... . c) Huawei uses the foldable BOE Display technology in its Mate X smartphone and is on track to be the first…

I remember reading this post. What has changed since then is the on-track-ness of everyone =)
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