Huawei Accused of Technology Theft • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by fungi » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:19 AM UTC

fc373745 wrote: post #103

Seems like a lot of accusations against the Chinese and their tech is being force fed down our throats lately. Not surprising, since we are currently within a trade war and any opportunity to drive out Chinese competition would be taken - especially since Huawei would have been a huge competitor in the smartphone market (I heard their camera quality is currently the best). I"m skeptical, as some of these accusations…

The near daily feed is reminiscent of the propaganda campaign in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by wolco » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:24 AM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #138

yarg wrote: post #120

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The assumption there that the capacity for creativity in China comparable to that in the west. I wonder firstly about the extent to which creativity can exist to a societally significant extent under an increasingly authoritarian government. I also wonder about the extent to which the Chinese creative class was purged in the cultural revolution, and what impact that may have had on the societal capacity for creativit…

Let's say China has 20 times less creativity than the west. This means still more creativity than most western countries because of their size.

Society may not support that creativity in terms of production output while in the west you have creative multipliers.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by codedokode » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:27 AM UTC

wolco wrote: post #133

codedokode wrote: post #77

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But Huawei is not different from other vendors here. For example: Windows has telemetry that cannot be disabled and sends data into American data centers, Apple has control over its phones around the world, can remotely block them and know their location, and who knows what else, Google tries to convince users from around the world to store all their data in an American cloud (not their own cloud, or a cloud in their…

Because those companies have never released stolen material from offices they bugged. Microsoft's telemetry data is like sending the teacher a note that you viewed the material. Huawei hides a camera in your home steals your homework and beats you out of that college placement with your own material.

Why doesn't Microsoft allow to disable it then? It is not like I asked for a teacher.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:31 AM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #115

AFascistWorld wrote: post #109

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Yeah you can always be inspired by others. https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/9196f7a9gy1g08e99znw9j20u01s612...

Interesting comparison. But Apple doesn't have clean hands too. Did they invent graphical UI of first Macintosh themselves or were "inspired" by what they have seen at Xerox PARC? Yesterday you copied the GUI, and today you claim that someone has stolen the idea of using rounded edges.

Apple paid Xerox Parc a lot to see things, not to mention xerox parc was heavily invested in pre IPO Apple.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by tepidandroid » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

choonway wrote: post #40

It's built into their culture. There was one time when the lecturer left the classroom during a break in the lecture, the china exchange students swarmed over his laptop, which he did not lock down, inserted USB drives, copied files had lookouts posted at the door etc. It was so shockingly spontaneous. They did not know I was not a student but another lecturer auditing his class. Later I told him that his laptop was…

> It’s built into their culture.

Singaporean exceptionalism, arrogance and small state syndrome are similarly “well known” phenomena - can you see how it would be wrong or even harmful of me to perpetuate such stereotypes?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

kyriakos wrote: post #122

m463 wrote: post #38

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Interesting - in silicon valley Huawei has a building just a short distance from both Intel and Nvidia's main headquarters.

This could just mean they want to reinforce their brand by being next to the big guys. Doesn't mean they are spying even if that is a possibility.

They might also want to poach employees, being close to where they work already is a good way to do that.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by deroisas2y » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:39 AM UTC

aswanson wrote: post #37

walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

But, I mean, other than that, what do you have on them?

Funny, because the articles OP posted suggest they don’t even have that.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by wolco » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:39 AM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #143

wolco wrote: post #133

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Because those companies have never released stolen material from offices they bugged. Microsoft's telemetry data is like sending the teacher a note that you viewed the material. Huawei hides a camera in your home steals your homework and beats you out of that college placement with your own material.

Why doesn't Microsoft allow to disable it then? It is not like I asked for a teacher.

Because that's the product they are selling you decided to use it over an os that comes with the source code like Linux.

Microsoft hasn't added telemetry to linux through a backdoor.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by deroisas2y » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:40 AM UTC

wolco wrote: post #133

codedokode wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Huawei is not different from other vendors here. For example: Windows has telemetry that cannot be disabled and sends data into American data centers, Apple has control over its phones around the world, can remotely block them and know their location, and who knows what else, Google tries to convince users from around the world to store all their data in an American cloud (not their own cloud, or a cloud in their…

Because those companies have never released stolen material from offices they bugged. Microsoft's telemetry data is like sending the teacher a note that you viewed the material. Huawei hides a camera in your home steals your homework and beats you out of that college placement with your own material.

And neither did Huawei.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by scarejunba » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 4:43 AM UTC

ineedasername wrote: post #123

scarejunba wrote: post #68

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How is that a valid defence? Try telling the MPAA/RIAA that your use of The Pirate Bay isn't stealing.

Without even getting into the "is personal piracy wrong" issue, it's pretty easy to draw a line between an individual downloading songs from pirate bay and a major corporation pirating IP wholesale and then making a business out of reselling the derivative products.

Without entering the entire debate, I was only intending to talk about the "Ask the plaintiff" style. Obviously the plaintiff is going to think something's wrong. That's what being the plaintiff is.