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Firefox Personal Data Promise

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Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#41

Post by autoexec »

Kalium wrote: post #14
dogecoinbase wrote: post #3

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

Do you think there are users for whom this might be a valuable feature that protects them from snooping ISPs? Any such feature, of course, must be something configurable such that any user wishing to use their own DNS provider can do so.

Maybe, but no one is forced to use their ISPs DNS either. Giving user's data to one snoop to protect them from another doesn't sound like a win to me either way.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#42

Post by Kalium »

autoexec wrote: post #41
Kalium wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think there are users for whom this might be a valuable feature that protects them from snooping ISPs? Any such feature, of course, must be something configurable such that any user wishing to use their own DNS provider can do so.

Maybe, but no one is forced to use their ISPs DNS either. Giving user's data to one snoop to protect them from another doesn't sound like a win to me either way.

The nice thing about Firefox is that you can configure it to use any DNS resolver you please!

It may perhaps be worth considering privacy-enhancing settings in the context of a mass-market product, where the vast majority of users do not know what DNS is and do not run their own resolvers. In such a context, do you think it might be possible that most users might be better off with privacy-first defaults? With, of course, all the appropriate configuration options for more sophisticated users.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#43

Post by sjwright »

seieste wrote: post #38
dogecoinbase wrote: post #3

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

DOH makes Pihole ineffective.

Pihole is redundant in Firefox with uBlock Origin.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#44

Post by sjwright »

dogecoinbase wrote: post #3

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

What makes you think your local DNS resolver is more secure? Does it have a secure connection to all of its upstream sources?

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#45

Post by sjwright »

MaximumMadness wrote: post #17

Firefox is really doubling down on their positioning vs Google, I feel like every day I see a new privacy-focused promise or tool on the front page from Mozilla

It was a perfect time to strike while Google is being seen to make anti-user decisions with Chrome and ad-blocking add-ons. I don’t know if it was a coincidence but the timing was excellent.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#46

Post by wayneftw »

feanaro wrote: post #40
wayneftw wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to me how you can call out this post and recent others as a "marketing initiative from Mozilla" without any apparent backlash (as of yet), but when I called it "brigading by Mozilla supporters and fans" on multiple other threads I was completely removed from the conversation. Is there really a difference? Is this the sort of story that casual users or even avid fans of the browser would organically p…

So, in other words, you want the internet to help you cement yourself in your current positions?

Nope. Just trying to live my life without constantly being pitched to.

Are you advocating for mob-mentality?

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#47

Post by ryacko »

wayneftw wrote: post #35
lucideer wrote: post #9

It's great to see this recent marketing initiative from Mozilla to frame themselves as a privacy-first company. Mozilla has always been considered by the community as an organisation that should respect the privacy of their users, but there hasn't until now been such direct public statements to that effect to point to. Mainly I hope this can now be pointed to by Mozilla/Firefox users as a set of standards that should…

It's interesting to me how you can call out this post and recent others as a "marketing initiative from Mozilla" without any apparent backlash (as of yet), but when I called it "brigading by Mozilla supporters and fans" on multiple other threads I was completely removed from the conversation. Is there really a difference? Is this the sort of story that casual users or even avid fans of the browser would organically p…

Most people follow like minded people, become surprised when they have an unexpected opinion, and sometimes unfollow them. Not sure developing new social media would gain adoption.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#48

Post by dblohm7 »

seieste wrote: post #39
dblohm7 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection

If the data differs between users, then it can be PII — this is confirmed by the fact that browser fingerprinting works.

Fingerprinting works because the sites link that fingerprint back to an identifiable individual.
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