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Firefox Personal Data Promise

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Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#31
post #29

How about "take nothing" instead of "take less"? No PII should be "taken" anywhere. They're a browser -- a platform -- and as such they should be taking great strides to prevent collection of anything at all by applications running on that platform.

Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection

It's good and all that you have a policy, but the fact remains that you have the ability to make exceptions for collecting PII in category 4. That's what I mean by "don't collect" -- this stuff isn't your data. Get your mitts off it.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the things I wish Mozilla did differently, their choice of internal corporate email provider is roughly at the bottom of the list. Using a FOSS solution provides essentially zero benefit to even a fraction of a percent of their users.

Sure, but it undermines their public opposition to Google and their practices. DuckDuckGo appears to operate just fine on Fastmail.

Why would they oppose Google when they're Mozilla's wallet?

Where else does Mozilla get revenues from?

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#33
post #9

It's great to see this recent marketing initiative from Mozilla to frame themselves as a privacy-first company. Mozilla has always been considered by the community as an organisation that should respect the privacy of their users, but there hasn't until now been such direct public statements to that effect to point to. Mainly I hope this can now be pointed to by Mozilla/Firefox users as a set of standards that should…

Be careful taking in this new direction as anything more than marketing PR. As you've stated before, I don't even think this time, it's anything more than the marketing department speaking for everyone. Mozilla has had weak statements on previous PR controversy's before. On a longer timescale, the organization will change it's position again due to economic and cultural pressures.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#34
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection

It's good and all that you have a policy, but the fact remains that you have the ability to make exceptions for collecting PII in category 4. That's what I mean by "don't collect" -- this stuff isn't your data. Get your mitts off it.

You make it sound like we could decide to have Firefox collect your PII without your consent. We won't. The standards for the collection of category 4 data are

"Default off. May be eligible for opt-in data collection by specific users, provided there is (i) advance user notice (ii) consent and (iii) an opt-out."

The only collection of this data that I'm personally aware of is the Firefox Pioneer program.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-firefox-pioneer

(Disclosure: I work for Mozilla)

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#35
post #9

It's great to see this recent marketing initiative from Mozilla to frame themselves as a privacy-first company. Mozilla has always been considered by the community as an organisation that should respect the privacy of their users, but there hasn't until now been such direct public statements to that effect to point to. Mainly I hope this can now be pointed to by Mozilla/Firefox users as a set of standards that should…

It's interesting to me how you can call out this post and recent others as a "marketing initiative from Mozilla" without any apparent backlash (as of yet), but when I called it "brigading by Mozilla supporters and fans" on multiple other threads I was completely removed from the conversation. Is there really a difference?

Is this the sort of story that casual users or even avid fans of the browser would organically promote? That's the logic that I was handed in some of the responses to me. Am I that out of place to assume that the following is how it goes down? 1.) The marketing/evangelical folks at Mozilla create a story and post it here and elsewhere. 2.) They put out a call to all their supporters in various channels to come and help promote the story (and keep other commenters in line apparently)...

I think the problem is that comment forums always optimize towards showing me what the currently active mob/majority thinks about a topic rather than sorting things towards my own personal tastes. I'd much rather see a rating system that weights posts/topics and comments based on my history. For instance: if I've promoted a certain topic in the past, put it higher. If I typically promote a given user, put their comment higher. If I typically promote a certain user who promoted another comment, put that comment higher. And so on. Basically censor the stuff I usually disagree with instead of allowing mob rule. [1]

I don't see the point of trying to make everybody see the same truth because that's not how real life works. Mostly, people tend to live in tribes. Wouldn't it be nice if the Internet wasn't always in your face telling you how wrong you are? IMO, such systems would put a chill on the global culture war.

[1] - This might be the perfect problem for a graph database. If anyone wants to work on something like this, let me know how to contact you and I'll give you all of my ideas!

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#36
What the US needs is a regulatory framework like GDPR that incentivizes this sort of behavior. Private data should be considered a liability, not an asset. Taking less and keeping it private+secure should be the default -- not the exception that needs calling out.

Kudos as usual to Mozilla for going out of their way to promote these principles.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#38

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

DOH makes Pihole ineffective.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#39
post #29

How about "take nothing" instead of "take less"? No PII should be "taken" anywhere. They're a browser -- a platform -- and as such they should be taking great strides to prevent collection of anything at all by applications running on that platform.

Most of the data that is collected by Mozilla is not PII. See our data collection guidelines: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection

If the data differs between users, then it can be PII — this is confirmed by the fact that browser fingerprinting works.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#40
post #9

It's great to see this recent marketing initiative from Mozilla to frame themselves as a privacy-first company. Mozilla has always been considered by the community as an organisation that should respect the privacy of their users, but there hasn't until now been such direct public statements to that effect to point to. Mainly I hope this can now be pointed to by Mozilla/Firefox users as a set of standards that should…

It's interesting to me how you can call out this post and recent others as a "marketing initiative from Mozilla" without any apparent backlash (as of yet), but when I called it "brigading by Mozilla supporters and fans" on multiple other threads I was completely removed from the conversation. Is there really a difference? Is this the sort of story that casual users or even avid fans of the browser would organically p…

So, in other words, you want the internet to help you cement yourself in your current positions?
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