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Post by xvector »

Kiro wrote: post #389
xvector wrote: post #379

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I’m sorry, but the meme would not exist if it was not a reality. Google has a history of shutting down products that don’t reach a critical mass they find appropriate - regardless of how good the product is, or how essential it is to the users that adopted it. Inbox, anyone? It is perfectly sensible to be mistrustful of Google services, especially new ones. It’s also pretty disingenuous to accuse someone of trolling…

Saying Stadia will "inevitably" be shut down is an exaggeration and trolling regardless. It implies every single product Google launches shuts down, which is obviously completely incorrect.

Obviously it is exaggeration. Exaggeration is a common form of rhetoric used in normal conversation. Exaggeration, however, is not trolling.

And it often has a kernel of truth behind it. It makes perfect sense to be skeptical or hesitant to use a Google product, especially a new one, especially one with no guarantees made with regards to longevity. In fact, I think it would be reasonable for most users to err on the side of caution here.

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Post by robrtsql »

oneshotthrowawa wrote: post #336
gnufied wrote: post #326

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Will I be alive to care?

owning things means that people then inherit things when you die

The cynical reply to this is also "Will I be alive to care?".

A more realistic reply might be "will any humans even be alive to inherit my game library?" or "will anyone even be able to run any of my games on the hardware and software available 100 years from now?"

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Post by blueboo »

atq2119 wrote: post #143
blueboo wrote: post #107

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They suffer from uneven or inconsistent input-to-display latency. If Stadia can give everyone the same, (hopefully) modest amount of latency, the games remain as fair as they ever were

I'm not entirely sure, but you may have misunderstood my point. It's not about fairness, it's about whether it is physically possible to play the game on the same level of skill. Talking about shooters, in the traditional multiplayer setup input-to-display latency isn't actually a concern, because input-to-display doesn't go over the network at all. When you move your mouse, the display update loop doesn't contain a…

I'm not sure you understand fairness. If the game is harder for everyone (in whatever metric suits you to contrive), it's just..harder

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Post by blueboo »

lasagnaphil wrote: post #381
SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #315

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If you have If it creeps up into the 40's and 50's though, it will for sure.

I don't think so - the reason I don't use VSync for first person shooters is because it introduces 1 frame (8ms ~ 16ms depending on your frame rate) of input lag. It really feels laggy when I try to move my mouse and aim.

And mechanical keyboards make you type faster and gamer glasses make you aim better and a tincture of molybdenum in your star-water will cure your cold

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Post by fastball »

mrguyorama wrote: post #406
fastball wrote: post #288

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What modern game can run at 1080p/60fps on a low spec PC? What kinda of cost are we talking about when you say "low spec"?

Honestly? 4ish years of a stadia subscription will run any game released in that time period, and also the entire back catalog of PC gaming, minus some annoyingness around early 2000s games and permissions. My $500 PC runs VR at 1.7x supersampling with zero issues, and can 1080p60hz any game at all with zero trouble.

Exactly.

Four years of a subscription you can pay month-to-month (and cancel if you're not using it) is much more doable for many people than a $500+ upfront investment in a gaming rig. Presumably you also built this yourself at that price point, which is another thing other people are not as willing to do.

For me personally, I travel a lot so I like the idea of Stadia because obviously I'm not going to travel around with a gaming rig, and you can pry my 2015 Macbook Pro from my cold, dead hands.

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Post by a9entroy »

zeusk wrote: post #397
a9entroy wrote: post #352

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Doesn't that also apply to Netflix? If Netflix shuts down (and there is a real chance of that), what will happen? People will lose all those TV shows and Movies forever.

Yeah, but Netflix doesn't ask you for more money to see a movie on their platform. Whereas you do have to buy your own games on Stadia.

Maybe, but that wasn't the original argument I replied to.

To your argument I would say that Stadia is not the "Netflix for games". So I don't see why you expect to pay $10 and play any game you want like Netflix does.

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Post by Jabbles »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #320
Jabbles wrote: post #212

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Google has a habit of getting bored of a service or, if it's not doing too well, just switching it off. Can you assure people that if they spend money on Stadia games, they are still going to have access to them in the coming years? I completely understand the question. I think there's a couple of things I would answer to that. One is our commitment to this business is extraordinary. If you look at the list of games,…

"If you look at the list of apps, and crucially, the list of developers that are backing Android wear, you can see the level of interest and support. Google is committed to this for the long term, we have made very significant financial investments in this. And we have an incredibly dedicated team who is helping to make Android Wear reality." Google, 2014, probably. Words are very cheap.

That seems unfair - Wear hasn't been abandoned. It hasn't been an overwhelming success, but it's not been a complete failure either.

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44901819

I can't see Google dropping it unless Apple abandons theirs first.

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Post by nathankunicki »

nightski wrote: post #330
nathankunicki wrote: post #292

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While correct, that was not the point made in my comment. For downloaded games, once the service has gone offline, you are at the mercy of the lifespan of the hard drive. If I had a physical disc, I could just buy another when it goes bad.

Not sure about Xbox because I haven't owned it in a while but PS4 lets you copy your system drive to a new drive pretty easily. The function is even built into the OS. I switched out the hard drive to an SSD using this technique.

It only works as long as the console is signed into the same account as used on the original hard drive.

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Post by nathankunicki »

grogenaut wrote: post #334
generalpf wrote: post #307

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Valve doesn’t have the right to do this. They have an agreement with publishers that they will supply it.

They actually do have the right to do this and a technical implementation. Essentially they've escrowed enough cash to run the drm for many years in the future even if they went out of business so they keep their agreements and their customers happy. Also, having worked in game sales, it turns out that buying "drm free unlocks of long tail" games is not expensive. How do you think things like PS Plus Free Games works…

Do you have a source for where Valve have the rights to remove DRM on third party games?

Also, PS Plus games are still DRM'ed, and you only have access as long as your subscription is valid.

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