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Post by zeusk »

nathankunicki wrote: post #229
worble wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you buy the game, do you actually own it though? Or do you lose it when Stadia shuts down? If I'm going to pay full price for a game, then I want to be able to play it 10 or 20 years from now.

To be fair, this is little different to buying a game on the PlayStation Store or Xbox Store. As soon as those go offline, you will no longer be able to download those games. And so you'll be at the mercy of the lifespan of the hard drive. You won't be able to copy the games to another device as it won't be able to validate ownership.

To be fair, PlayStation and Xbox have a lot longer and reliable track record compared to Google products.

And so, you'll be at the mercy of the lifespan of yet another Google product.

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Post by hartator »

yegle wrote: post #190
paxys wrote: post #179

The fact that you have to pay full-price for games AND rely on a cloud service makes this a nonstarter for me. The only way this could work is with a good subscription gaming model like Xbox Game Pass or PS Now. Or you give me a guarantee that I can take my games to another platform once Google inevitably shuts this down.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

1080p games should be able to run on a low spec PC. Why not buying the actual game?

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Post by Arelius »

stcredzero wrote: post #248
Rebelgecko wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be more concerned about Google discontinuing the service

Wasn't this the concern with Amazon Kindle books? The mega-corporation would discontinue the service, and the media one had paid for would cease to be accessible?

Yes, indeed! However Google has historically shown that they are eager to shut down products, and the costs of distributing Stadia games far outweigh the costs of distributing Kindle books. Competition makes this also less likely to succeed.

I think the concern is fundamentally the same, but the chances feel much higher, which makes it a bigger worry.

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Post by dlp211 »

knsprgswrstchn wrote: post #124
j-c-hewitt wrote: post #115

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30ms is gigantic when most people are accustomed to sub-1ms input lag.

Do you know any console/pc setup with <1ms (or even 2-3ms) input lag?

If if there was, would it matter? 144Hz monitors draw a frame every 7ms. What does it mean to have sub-frame latency? Human reaction time is about 250ms. So from the time you see something and ate able to react, over 30 frames have rendered.

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Post by paxys »

stcredzero wrote: post #248
Rebelgecko wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be more concerned about Google discontinuing the service

Wasn't this the concern with Amazon Kindle books? The mega-corporation would discontinue the service, and the media one had paid for would cease to be accessible?

You can create a backup of all your Kindle books, and continue to read them even if Amazon's service disappears. The only thing you won't be able to do is download them again from Amazon's servers.

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Post by rossjudson »

tus87 wrote: post #82

Won't work. The reason multiplayer games work over the internet is game engines compensate for latency by prediction. But when I move my mouse I don't want to wait a third of a second for the view to change. The problem with Google is they test everything on local 10G networks with near zero latency and the servers are walking distance away. Then they produce these abortions of products that are killed off 2 years la…

You made me laugh when you said "servers are walking distance away". That's a lot of very long walks, friend.

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Post by drusepth »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #134

Is there a risk that they increase the subscription price and hold all of your games hostage if you’re unwilling to pay the new premium?

You don't need to have a subscription to buy or play your games.

Without a subscription you can stream the games you buy at 60fps 1080p with stereo sound.

With a subscription you can stream the games you buy at 60fps 4K with 5.1 surround sound.

There's a risk that they increase the subscription price and hold _higher quality_ versions of your games hostage. Or, of course, there's the suicidal option of changing their pricing entirely such that free users can't stream the games they've bought (because what are you going to do about it?), but I'd imagine they'd shut down the entire service before trying to pull that off.

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Post by SoupyDolphin »

ehsankia wrote: post #247
SoupyDolphin wrote: post #109

Discussions around Stadia always fail to mention the alternatives. I've been using GeForce Now with a Nvidia Shield for over a year now and it's been a great experience. The hardware costs are the same as the Stadia ($130), it's free to use while the beta period lasts, and you can play all the games you've already purchased on Steam, BattleNet, Epic etc. in 4k. Why would I buy all the games AGAIN on Stadia when I can…

I enjoy using GeForce now in the private beta for free, but from what I heard their pricing was going to look something like 25$ a month or something ridiculous like that. Compared to that, Stadia is free at 1080p, and 10$ at 4k, that's much cheaper. They also have in my experience better latency, and support more devices (any pc/laptop with a browser, chromecast, phone, etc).

Good points. I think the value of each offering greatly depends on whether you already have a Steam (or similar) library of games.

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Post by Arelius »

techntoke wrote: post #73
partiallypro wrote: post #69

I just don't see how they are going to compete with Microsoft on this, or Sony for that matter. I can't help but think this will be killed off in the next 2-3 years due to low adoption. Microsoft and Sony already have their foot in the door, and xCloud is supposedly going to be an E3 topic...and I'm sure they will bundle it with existing Xbox Live services for a bump in price. Google has proven me wrong in the past,…

Uh, cross-platform gaming will be huge. It says it will work in a Chrome browser. This is running on Linux and using Vulkan as well, so I imagine the open source community will want to try to adopt these technologies more and more since it is clearly scalable and efficient enough to run a live streaming service of this magnitude. I'm happy to see less games developed in proprietary frameworks and to be supported on m…

Just because the platform is running Linux and Vulkan doesn't mean that Google won't wall that behind their data centers. The PS4 runs on BSD.

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Post by stcredzero »

Arelius wrote: post #263
stcredzero wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't this the concern with Amazon Kindle books? The mega-corporation would discontinue the service, and the media one had paid for would cease to be accessible?

Yes, indeed! However Google has historically shown that they are eager to shut down products, and the costs of distributing Stadia games far outweigh the costs of distributing Kindle books. Competition makes this also less likely to succeed. I think the concern is fundamentally the same, but the chances feel much higher, which makes it a bigger worry.

the costs of distributing Stadia games far outweigh the costs

Games are just another form of media. YouTube costs Google a ton of money. But the control over media, virality, discovery, and advertisement is worth it to them. So has it been for video. So it shall be for games.

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