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The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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That sounds great! Just be careful not too become too dependent on someone else.

Becoming dependent is part of the deal. It keeps people together through the difficult times.

No, dependency breeds contempt. If he values the relationship he needs to remain independent, i.e. have his own mission in life and not just live for his partner.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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There are other ways of solving the loneliness problem than economically castrating more than half the population in an attempt to return to an idealized past that never actually was. The world is different now than it was in the 1950s, and we're going to have to find different ways to get our necessary face-time, and luckily we have more tools to better take responsibility for our social health than we did even 10 y…

I think that could be part of the problem: a necessary reliance on "tools" to take care of our social health. Whereas before a cohesive family or social group took care of the need for it's members' social well-being, now we have a toxic culture of individuality which impels a person to solve all their own problems, aided by a synthetic tool that first off incurs an altogether new cognitive fatigue while at the same time being tuned to turn a profit for someone else.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Actually one of the things my wife and I often discuss is how with our current society even what we consider our "nuclear family" is at most just a part time family. For most of humanity a family group stayed together for the majority of each day. Children played with siblings, cousins and were usually within earshot of one of their parents or relatives. Certainly they would have found their way back when hungry. As…

As someone from village in a developing world (I don't work there but visit at least once a year) I totally concur with all your sentiments. One of the things that takes some getting used when I am back home is how loosely scheduled days can be. There no such things as invites for lunch of dinner. People just pitch up and a plan is made. Wake in the morning and we supposed to go check on the cows. A cousin arrives as we eating breakfast, next thing it is 12 noon. Its too late now, cows are out grazing. Shrug, tomorrow is another day. No one stressed and it was good to see my cousin. I am not naive enough to think this is how life should be but it is nice break from my city life. We need a balance and of both sorts of lives and we don't have that balance in the city.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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A lot of people have kids _for themselves_. There are a lot of other endeavours one can pursue that will bring happiness. I think where we fail as a society, is in teaching ourselves how to find those pursuits, surround ourselves with friends, and avoid loneliness. > The mantra is to get rich and retire at 40 Hrm, I question the circle of people you're surrounded by. Many millennials are struggling to afford the basi…

And whose tax money will be looking after you in your old age, when you have no family of your own to take care of you? The children of those ‘unethical’ people you tediously condescend so proudly up on your high horse.

And whose tax money is paying for the schools that are educating those children at the moment? Oh right...

This is a really bad argument. Especially in countries that have a lot more support for parents than the US.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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The article is long and I skimmed a bit. It appears to be one of these pieces that just covers so many topics and issues, I'm not sure which ones correlate to loneliness and which ones don't. I'll tell you one thing, and this is a personal belief: the modern way of making a living and the modern relationship to my family is far preferable to me than "the old way." For most of human history we've had to stick with our…

Lots of choices are toxic and most people underutilise free will. Society will have to pay the cost in terms of poor mental health and related issues. Some people thrives alone while someone else in groups. Both should co-exist for functional society.

I think your first sentence is a great way to sum up what I was trying to say.

What we have now that we didn't use to have is an actual freedom to choose our path - at least, relative to what we had in the past pre-industrialization.

It is indeed very easy to make a lot of choices that result in loneliness or unhappiness. But at least more of us have those choices.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Move to another city. Leave your small-town life. Chase your dream. Live alone. Pay more per capita to landlords. Pay more per capita for basic services, for staple foods. Pay businesses to do the household chores that you can't handle alone when you're also working a full-time job, and don't have a family to spread them out among. Buy more stuff to fill that emotional hole. Consume. Live in an apartment. Never see y…

This is exactly what I struggle with every day as I work in the city at 27. It's just a bunch of experiences usually without true depth because of the devaluation of one to one connections in the big hustle and bustle.

Then my parents get older and older and I think is this it, will I just work here until they pass away and also my good friends in other cities or towns aren't as good friends anymore because I can't feasibly visit them all every few months.

So I end up with like 300k, mid 30's, and not many close connections.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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It can also be linked to the rise of individualism, an essential part of the capitalist ideology.

Seems unlikely: why do staunch conservatives reproduce far better than liberals?

The unintended consequences of abstinence-only sex education?

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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I’ve been feeling a pretty intense sort of depression and loneliness for the last month or so. The feelings of “you’re a white male and you work in tech and you are wealthy you are a SATAN” is just becoming too much :(. I volunteer a tremendous amount in education, where I’m the only male I generally even see in my field, and I constantly have to listen to my coworkers gleefully talk about how excited they are at how…

Just a piece of advice: try to take a step back and listen more carefully to the complaints you're hearing. When people talk about dismantling the patriarchy, or about racial privilege, they are not actually talking about any one particular person. You are fully able to be white, male, privileged, and still be an ally to those who do not benefit as much from the power structures in our society. Instead of feeling per…

But people are not agreeing about the causes of the problems or the solutions. So if you say "Yeah, but I'm not talking about all white people" you should be able to exchange that to "black" instead and still not be racist for it not to be racist for example.

People are very similar. It is nice to find a common enemy and it is nice to generalize. So on 4chan people analyze and find that black people are the problem and generalize about black people and in certain groups people find that white men are the problem and tend to generalize about white men.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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I find the HN comments on an article like this fascinating. So many people that admit to not having kids who think they are experts on what it means or is like to have kids.

Prepare for a generation of desperate people when they figure out that they actually wanted to have kids but it's too late.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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What's wrong with being alone? The only problem I see is for people who can't handle a certain burden (X) _being_ alone. Perhaps a right balance can be struck, but often times it is better to be alone (X) than to be around people you have to make a certain amount of effort (Y) to be with.

Most worthwhile things require some amount of effort.
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