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How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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I showed this to my girlfriend who is an artist, and she basically scoffed and said, "I'm not really into that. I was taught to draw what I see." As in, don't even THINK about drawing those circles.

In my naive way I guess she has to abstract too, maybe unconsciously to keep proportions for example.

For someone learning to draw without much talent, me, it is hard to know what is important and what to focus on. To me it seems like thats what these circles and lines are there for. Look at what is important and what proportions they have.

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I don't know about you, but I hate this cerebral type drawing, where you take a subject, analyse, restructure and reduce it into some components, etc. It's no fun and uses faculties that I want to rest when drawing. If I draw like this, what happens in my head is pretty much the same as when I work. I'd definitely not teach kids to draw this way. If anyone is interested in alternatives, check out Drawing on the Right…

> I'd definitely not teach kids to draw this way.

Seconded. Drawing from life is orders of magnitude easier than illustration. You can learn to draw your own hands quite realistically in a matter of hours, from a baseline of nothing. Learning to draw a realistic human hand from memory takes years of study and practice; you need to memorise every bone, muscle and tendon, you need to understand the elasticity of skin, you need a deep intuitive understanding of perspective. If you're drawing from life, you're just transcribing lines, shapes and shading - it's basically tracing with your eyes.

Our visual memory is really very poor, because it's evolutionarily tuned to remember rough silhouettes and distinguishing characteristics rather than a complete and detailed image. People who can remember images in photographic detail are invariably autistic and invariably have serious difficulties in coping with normal life - the highly lossy compression most of us apply to sensory information is an essential survival skill.

Most professional artists can't draw purely from imagination - it's a highly specialised skill reserved for expert illustrators. They rely on reference photographs, models, mannequins, preparatory sketches and all sorts of other visual aids. Why would we try to teach children a skill that most working artists think is beyond their ability?

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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post #19

We play a great party game called 'Six Second Animals.' The caller names an animal and counts down from 6. Other players draw the animal. The caller picks a favorite and that drawer becomes caller.

Neat! check out Google's Quick Draw [1] where you need to draw a given object in 20 seconds and a neural network will recognize what you're drawing. [1] https://quickdraw.withgoogle.com/

While I was really astonished that it recognized some things that I wouldn't even recognize myself, the neural network failed to recognize my computer, sad...

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I'm coming off as cerebral myself? Haha I didn't see the conflict there when I posted, but thanks for pointing it out, and that's kind of my point: I need something to offset it, and drawing can be that thing, but it entirely depends on how you do it.

I see what you mean, you want your drawing approach to be more free-form because it lets you "take a load off" the constant categorising and logic and so on. On the other hand though, tips like those in the link could help someone to just start drawing, and might lead to making creative adjustments to those forms (like encouraging your children to try making a monster version of a deer, for example).

There's also this other dimension to it that is often overlooked, and it's behind my saying "I wouldn't teach this". The analysis and reduction based method relies on your ability to digest what you see mentally and that has limitations. For example, if you asked a child to draw a rough sea, hair on somebody's head, the clouds, the forest or whatever, he would become frustrated with the sheer complexity and probably degrade to what we call "child's drawing", which is a misnomer, since most adults draw this way. Child's drawing is when you draw symbolistically: this is a head, these are lips, this is a tree, this is a bush, etc. On the other hand, if you "draw what you see" which is another horrible term, coined by me this time, you're not bothered by complexity, you celebrate and marvel at it, in a frictionless way. Again, I'm recommending that book I linked, great stuff.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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post #71

I don't know about you, but I hate this cerebral type drawing, where you take a subject, analyse, restructure and reduce it into some components, etc. It's no fun and uses faculties that I want to rest when drawing. If I draw like this, what happens in my head is pretty much the same as when I work. I'd definitely not teach kids to draw this way. If anyone is interested in alternatives, check out Drawing on the Right…

> I'd definitely not teach kids to draw this way. Seconded. Drawing from life is orders of magnitude easier than illustration. You can learn to draw your own hands quite realistically in a matter of hours, from a baseline of nothing. Learning to draw a realistic human hand from memory takes years of study and practice; you need to memorise every bone, muscle and tendon, you need to understand the elasticity of skin,…

That's a good take on drawing from nature. My focal point on this subject is how good it feels. When you get over that bump, which like you say takes little time, you become so relaxed. I actually don't care about the drawings I make, it's the state of mind that I get from doing it that I like.

"That bump" I mention is something like changing gears in your head to see the pixels on the screen, instead of the text, windows, and other things that the pixels "make up", to use an analogy. It's actually hard to even describe this phenomenon; I guess that says something about how foreign it is to us. It's a bit like, when someone is talking, being able to distinguish the pure sounds you hear, and the interpretations you (involuntarily) attach to those sounds. When drawing in the "naturalistic" way, you want to suspend the interpretation or symbolisation of what you see.

The first time you make the shift, to me it feels like "wow, I don't know this feeling, it's great". Then you have to redo it every time you sit down to draw, and usually multiple times in the midst of a session too, because you loose focus and fall back to the symbolistic-perception mode.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting this. On the last pages it is said to be licensed under Creative Comments Share alike. I'd assume that the content might still be copyright protected by the original creator? So I don't think that anyone can relicense it as simple as that. I don't have a moral problem appropriating content that has been published 90 years ago. I don't think it is appropriate to assign it a Commons license though.

The cc-by-sa note in the pdf is presumably because that is the copyright listed on Commons and Flickr. However, the original work appears to be in the public domain. R & L Lambry were a father (Léon) and son (Robert) who died in 1940 and 1934, respectively. French copyright, as in all of the EU, lasts for the life of the author + 70 years. I found this fairly interesting bibliography of the Lambrys: http://nouvellesu…

Correct. Since i got the files from wikimedia, I wanted to adhere to their license claim and give attribution. I was pretty sure it's P.D. but didn't know if the scans themselves might have a copy right in some jurisdiction.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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Couldn’t help but remember Picasso’s bull. https://www.flickr.com/photos/sorarium/8578925321/in/photoli... Also teaches you about how hard abstraction is. You really really need to understand the subject and the underlying dynamics to simplify.

I have observed the same (abstracting the essentials) in some of young children's drawings. They seem to be adept in identifying the essential elements from the details.

Re: How to Draw Animals (1930)

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post #59

The site is in French. It's possibly "blog spam" in that it points to another French site as the original source: https://bibigreycat.blogspot.com/search/label/dessiner?updat... On both sites, the images can be clicked to enlarge them. You probably don't need to know any French to figure that out, but I thought I would mention it in case it was helpful to someone. Edit: This info is from the top of the article: sur l…

And the URL means "draw in elementary school" in French.

In phonetic French.
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