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“Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by criddell »

RickS wrote: post #6
criddell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

Presumably because third party insertion doesn't give the app creators sufficient control over what's shown. This happens all the time. Forbes.com starts serving malware and then cry "we didn't know! the third party guys just put whatever in that box!" So it's not (just) the outward flow of information, but the additional policing burden of a separate inward flow of graphics.

That makes a lot of sense.

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Post by Fnoord »

gameswithgo wrote: post #38
lotu wrote: post #10

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Obviously, but where do you want to go with that? Are you suggesting that because kids can use any app on a phone that all tracking and ads should be banned?

> that all tracking and ads should be banned? that would be fantastic!

Then we can go back to the time where we simply paid for software with money instead of with privacy (such as tracking or PII) or time/focus (advertising).

If there is one company of FAANG who's up for this task -and can beat Google at their game- it is Apple.

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Post by majewsky »

vilhelmen wrote: post #31
Rebelgecko wrote: post #7

Are first party ads better for kids?

I'm curious what keeps "first party" analytics/ads just phoning home and doing the third-party transaction server-side.

Apple's banhammer, should the public ever catch you in the act. (I guess.)

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Post by arenaninja »

Good; I only wish this is where applications on phones had started to begin with. Try giving a toddler a phone and they'll figure out navigation controls on their own easily, but once ads start playing they'll smash it because they have no clue what to do. Ads have no place in apps for kids

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Post by scarface74 »

lozenge wrote: post #8
criddell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

Because no ad network is trustworthy. It avoids stories like "developer's labour of love banned over ad network that resold space to ad network that resold space to ad network that put an inappropriate ad".

Marco Arment created his own ad platform that he curates for the Overcast podcast player partially for that reason and he didn't want random binary blobs shipping with his code.

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Post by dole »

stcredzero wrote: post #42
move-on-by wrote: post #14

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> Keep in mind that once customers expect your app to follow the Kids Category requirements, it will need to continue to meet these guidelines in subsequent updates, even if you decide to deselect the category. I love this. You can't just follow kids guidelines to build up your user-base and then drop it in favor of ads and analytics. Once you follow it, you have to continue to follow it.

This is more proof that apps and games are just another form of media. There are the same issues and conundrums dealing with children's media, as there are for books and television. I wish there would appear a 2019 version of Children's Television Workshop which would produce wonderful media for the children of today. (Is it already happening in some form?)

Pretty much PBS Kids, "wonderful" being subjective in both directions, like anything.

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Post by throwayEngineer »

mithr wrote: post #15
criddell wrote: post #3

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Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

In general, I believe it's based on the belief that children in partiular don't yet have the necessary mental tools to be able to properly analyze content -- basically, that they're influenced by media to a much higher degree than adults. > Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed I would guess that proponents of this approach also feel that the contents of TV/magazine ads should be s…

Humans never do. Trump's Russian propagandists is a classic example.

This just gives Apple more power to pick winners and losers

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Post by Despegar »

munk-a wrote: post #41
colechristensen wrote: post #36

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I think where it is going is just fine. The reduction of tracking and ads is a good thing, but that there is going to be a FAANG that is explicitly encouraging this is great news. I would prefer if the market itself forced out tracking and ads. Provide a space for it and that space can compete with everything else and if we're lucky will wildly outcompete the competition. This is the kind of walled garden I want to s…

The market is never going to do that at large - but I hope someone somewhere manages to kill tracking and third party data-reselling into non-existence.

If you think about it Apple is basically the corporate manifestation of GDPR. They can just decide whatever they want and everyone has to comply or get out. In the real world someone has to file a complaint with the DPC, it gets investigated, gets appealed for years.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/21/french-data-protection-wat...

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