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Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by lenkite »

jacquesm wrote: post #7

I have two main computers. One has for continuity reasons the old version of Firefox, the other the new one. The old version is so much more usable that I find myself using that computer much more frequently. It is rock solid with 100's of tabs open, all my extensions work and without silly restrictions on what they can and can not do and it uses a lot less memory. It's measurably faster too. I'm all for progress and…

How "old" is the old Firefox ? Firefox originally ran within a single process - which was most certainly faster for the most use-cases but had a tendency to crash and also suffered from lots of security vulnerabilities.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by jonathankoren »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #175
mraison wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s nice to see a bit of Safari love around here. Some sites occasionally break, but I really like the macOS/iOS integrations. SMS code autofill on desktop Safari (via Mac iPhone communication) is pretty awesome.

It’s nice to see a bit of Safari love around here. The one thing I cannot stand is that fucking URL/search bar (I detest these things in general, but Safari has the worst implementation). Most implementations (e.g. Firefox and Chrome) will encode the space and go on their way, meanwhile Safari translates a space into a search unconditionally — because clearly I want my wikipedia viewing history to end up in my search…

> Most implementations (e.g. Firefox and Chrome) will translate a space into a search unconditionally.

What would you rather have it do? URL encode it?

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by inferiorhuman »

jonathankoren wrote: post #182
inferiorhuman wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s nice to see a bit of Safari love around here. The one thing I cannot stand is that fucking URL/search bar (I detest these things in general, but Safari has the worst implementation). Most implementations (e.g. Firefox and Chrome) will encode the space and go on their way, meanwhile Safari translates a space into a search unconditionally — because clearly I want my wikipedia viewing history to end up in my search…

> Most implementations (e.g. Firefox and Chrome) will translate a space into a search unconditionally. What would you rather have it do? URL encode it?

What would you rather have it do? URL encode it?

Yes. I missed a few words on the original edit.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

frenchman99 wrote: post #56

The article starts with: "It’s been several weeks since I was promoted to Senior Vice President of Firefox, responsible for overall Firefox product and web platform development." How is this relevant? Did Dave Camp's SVP appointment trigger these changes? Honest question, because this is the first sentence of the article and I'm having a hard time understanding why. Tracking protection is great though. I hope Firefox…

Maybe his hiring was part of the same process? Products reflect the organizations that produce them.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by rhaksw »

This feature breaks hundreds of websites listed in a 5 year old issue [1]

The last descriptive update was 4 years ago,

> As the list is increasingly managed according to policy, breakage is a feature, not a bug.

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005

Among the broken websites is one I just completed, revddit, "removeddit for user pages":

https://revddit.com/user/rhaksw

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by rhaksw »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #69

It appears this would block pretty much all the major analytics tracking cookies (e.g. Google analytics, mixpanel, etc.) based on the linked Disconnect list, https://disconnect.me/trackerprotection . While I realize that's kind of the point, in my mind there is somewhat of a difference between "the site I'm on is tracking me to figure out how I use their site" vs. "any site I visit is essentially aggregated data beca…

> this would block pretty much all the major analytics

The list [1], which includes many APIs, also breaks hundreds of websites [2] that access those APIs

[1] https://github.com/disconnectme/disconnect-tracking-protecti...

[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by rhaksw »

The_rationalist wrote: post #67

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding something! By enabling by default the blocking of those third party scripts: https://disconnect.me/trackerprotection/blocked This Wil have three consequences: Many websites will partially break? Which ones? webmaster will lack many data necessary to understand what users do on their platform, where they missclick, what they don't use etc, thus diminishing the ability of webmasters…

> Many websites will partially break? Which ones?

You can get an idea of which sites are blocked by reviewing the list of blocked domains [1] (this includes many APIs, such as reddit.com) and a 5 year old issue where people post websites broken by tracking protection [2].

[1] https://github.com/disconnectme/disconnect-tracking-protecti...

[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by EugeneOZ »

Klonoar wrote: post #154
pault wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll second the multi device functionality. I use Firefox on desktop and iOS and all of my history, autocomplete, and tabs follow me and everywhere. It's incredibly convenient.

For Mac users, this is... not great. Firefox on Mac continues to be an oddball in comparison to how it runs on Windows/Linux. I'll keep using Safari, which also gives me that wonderful cross-device syncing.

It is great for Mac users. Firefox 67+ is faster than Chrome and works flawlessly on MBP 2014. Some "Mac users" also use dev tools, and Firefox is better than Safari in this aspect.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by vinay_ys »

luckman212 wrote: post #153
nuclear_eclipse wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use something like 1Password and you can have your passwords in every browser or app, on desktop and mobile.

Better choice would be Bitwarden. https://bitwarden.com

why?

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by rhaksw »

zwaps wrote: post #106
The_rationalist wrote: post #67

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding something! By enabling by default the blocking of those third party scripts: https://disconnect.me/trackerprotection/blocked This Wil have three consequences: Many websites will partially break? Which ones? webmaster will lack many data necessary to understand what users do on their platform, where they missclick, what they don't use etc, thus diminishing the ability of webmasters…

Webmasters should have thought of that before littering their website with hundreds of off-site scripts and packaging all data and behavior and sending it off to dozens of tracking companies. "great products". Yeah, websites used to be much, much better before loading every bit of text with a remote javascript. Here's a behavioral data point: Go back to making good websites and stop leaking private data everywhere. T…

My website is broken by this feature [1]. It does not leak private data, as Mozilla devs said here [2]

> According to the original screenshot in the thread, your web page is sending an HTTP request to https://www.reddit.com/api/v1/access_token. If the user has previously visited reddit.com, this request will include the user's reddit cookies normally. Also, the HTTP request I mentioned before has a Referer header that points to the address of your web page by default in most browsers. So Reddit will be able to tell which user has visited which page on your site. In other word, Reddit will be able to see the user's browsing history, as if they had access to the user's computer.

> Note that nobody is blaming you or your site here.

[1] https://revddit.com/user/rhaksw

[2] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.privacy/XO84Ezrw...

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