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Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by clumsysmurf »

MH15 wrote: post #163
whizzkid wrote: post #4

It is funny how my browser preferences has changed over last 5 years. 2014 me as a developer had Chrome as number 1 browser for both development and all rest. Firefox once a month just to check cross browser compatibility. And Safari was just installed without me using it. 2019 me uses Safari for everything except development. Excellent power consumption and UX. Firefox for development. And lastly Chrome for all web…

I've stayed with Safari for all web browsing mainly due to it's fantastic power consumption. Still use Chrome for development, but I find Safari's UX so compelling I'll still have it open for reference. Safari needs a duplicate tab button though.

My favorite Safari UX feature is 'show tab overview'. Its far better than the Firefox overflow menu.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by ravivyas »

iscrewyou wrote: post #85
whizzkid wrote: post #4

It is funny how my browser preferences has changed over last 5 years. 2014 me as a developer had Chrome as number 1 browser for both development and all rest. Firefox once a month just to check cross browser compatibility. And Safari was just installed without me using it. 2019 me uses Safari for everything except development. Excellent power consumption and UX. Firefox for development. And lastly Chrome for all web…

I would love to switch to safari. What do you use for ad-blocking?

1Blocker and I also use LittleSnitch as a blocker.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by jamiequint »

Nursie wrote: post #76
The_rationalist wrote: post #67

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding something! By enabling by default the blocking of those third party scripts: https://disconnect.me/trackerprotection/blocked This Wil have three consequences: Many websites will partially break? Which ones? webmaster will lack many data necessary to understand what users do on their platform, where they missclick, what they don't use etc, thus diminishing the ability of webmasters…

Sorry, but as a web user I never signed up for stalking by site owners, nor did I sign up to be stalked across sites by their advertisers. I certainly didn't sign up to let you co-opt my computer to do this. You're going to have to live with it. Get some beta testers onboard maybe.

Actually you did, because the world does not exist to serve you, it's a mutual transaction between two parties. Websites need to make money and understand how users are using their service so they can survive and improve.

99% of the data anyone is collecting which you call "stalking" is either available in server logs or could be easily modified so that it was. I guess you might just have to stop using the internet.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by sfink »

rukshn wrote: post #167
m45t3r wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is fast enough for most people, it has a UI as good as Chrome (that maybe is shit for some people, however most people don't care), most people don't care if Pocket is included or not (it is not like Firefox keeps nagging you to use it either). The only point I concur with you is that all sites should work, however the majority of times I see a site broken in Firefox is because of the developer not testing in…

Why should the developers worry about a browser that is only covering 10% as I remember that is the cover ? Specially if you have a small team who has time and people to make multiple versions to run on different browsers? You can just put a banner saying this website works well on chrome. FF should be more active in making all the sites work on their browser.

> FF should be more active in making all the sites work on their browser.

How? By matching any bugs or spec incompatibilities Chrome has that makes the site only work in Chrome? Or by begging the site authors to fix the HTML or CSS or JS? Because I don't see any other options.

The first defeats the purpose of having an independent browser (or web standards). The second won't work -- or at least, its success is determined entirely by market share, not directly by what Mozilla does.

I'm really not sure what you're asking for.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by inferiorhuman »

mraison wrote: post #88
whizzkid wrote: post #4

It is funny how my browser preferences has changed over last 5 years. 2014 me as a developer had Chrome as number 1 browser for both development and all rest. Firefox once a month just to check cross browser compatibility. And Safari was just installed without me using it. 2019 me uses Safari for everything except development. Excellent power consumption and UX. Firefox for development. And lastly Chrome for all web…

It’s nice to see a bit of Safari love around here. Some sites occasionally break, but I really like the macOS/iOS integrations. SMS code autofill on desktop Safari (via Mac iPhone communication) is pretty awesome.

It’s nice to see a bit of Safari love around here.

The one thing I cannot stand is that fucking URL/search bar (I detest these things in general, but Safari has the worst implementation). Most implementations (e.g. Firefox and Chrome) will encode the space and go on their way, meanwhile Safari translates a space into a search unconditionally — because clearly I want my wikipedia viewing history to end up in my search history FFS. I'm also not a fan of view source opening in a dev tools frame versus a new tab/window like Chrome and Firefox.

Speaking of the dev tools, I was just poking around and saw this in the console:

[Info] Successfuly preconnected to https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/

[Info] Successfuly preconnected to https://aax.amazon-adsystem.com/

Interesting as I'm running uBlock Origin (which is, admittedly, more neutered on Safari). I know I've disabled that prefetching before, but I no longer see any options to turn it off. Speaking of UBO, Safari loves to claim UBO will increase energy consumption and slow down my browsing (HA). I wonder if the "disable plugins to save energy" option means that Safari will kill uBlock whenever it feels like. :/

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by lenkite »

rukshn wrote: post #168
victor9000 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using privacy to differentiate themselves from Chrome, which will be a sharp contrast once Google cripples adblocking. It seems to be the same move that Apple is pulling with their anonymous login functionality.

Firefox will not going to win with a focus on privacy. Period. It's like a privacy friendly social network can't beat Facebook. Unless Google does something extremely stupid people are going to stick to it. People use Gmail, YouTube, Docs,Google search, Android and all of them are in sync with chrome. It goes hand in hand with your life. Same is for Apple, they make iPhone they have mail they have macos. Everything s…

Really ? There are dozens of ad-blockers both free and paid. If people were't bothered about privacy and bandwidth, these apps wouldn't exist at all.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by sfink »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a shot. Hardware differences are negligible, in fact the machine where FF is noticeably slower is the faster machine. Especially start-up is super slow, takes a couple of minutes at times.

That is seriously weird. I don't have the fastest machine possible yet FF starts in a second or two. Bigger problem are the apps that consume too much CPU and memory. Unfortunately there is no nice way to avoid their killing the whole system (Linux here). But other browsers are no better. The browser makers should realize they are delivering a multiuser OS and protect the resources accordingly.

I've used cgroups in the past to handle that problem when I was using stuff that would otherwise bring down my machine. But I don't know that I'd call it a nice way; at least back then, it was a PITA to set up.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

rukshn wrote: post #167
m45t3r wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is fast enough for most people, it has a UI as good as Chrome (that maybe is shit for some people, however most people don't care), most people don't care if Pocket is included or not (it is not like Firefox keeps nagging you to use it either). The only point I concur with you is that all sites should work, however the majority of times I see a site broken in Firefox is because of the developer not testing in…

Why should the developers worry about a browser that is only covering 10% as I remember that is the cover ? Specially if you have a small team who has time and people to make multiple versions to run on different browsers? You can just put a banner saying this website works well on chrome. FF should be more active in making all the sites work on their browser.

I guess it depends if you are a web developer or a Chrome developer...

What Chrome only features are you possibly using that would mean a separate Firefox version?

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by ericd »

chii wrote: post #117
Jonanin wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't and likely won't ever block ALL ads because they are funded through a search contract with Google. The whole point of that contract is to drive ad revenue.

As netizens, is there a way to replace Mozilla's dependence on another private company for revenue? Govt grants? Or is merely donations the only way?

idk, but I’ll happily pitch in a monthly donation for what is by far my most used software.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Post by sfink »

jacquesm wrote: post #33
zepearl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for my understanding, any special reason to have 100's of tabs open? Meaning: I basically have a mindset which as a programmer would say: "shall I spend effort trying to optimize my app for users that have 200 tabs open? Naaaa, I don't see a usecase for that to happen."

Yes, sure. I do technical due diligence for a living and when researching a particular company every time I come across another interesting link that hasn't changed color yet I open another tab. Then I just keep reading until there are no more tabs open, and no more interesting notes to take. It's part of my workflow (and one of the reasons why the scrapbook add-on is essential to me, another reason I do my work on t…

I'm hovering around 250 tabs these days and it's doing fine, but most of those aren't loaded. Sounds like yours would be. You might want to try a tab unloading extension.
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