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Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by pjc50 »

nostalgk wrote: post #107
Aromasin wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Self-help" videos targeted at men often lead to that too I've found. I might be watching a video about how to come across as more confident to people, or tricks to becoming more disciplined, and with just four or five clicks via Peterson/Milo/Shapiro videos you'll get to the "Lib CUCK get's destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC" side of YouTube.

This is honestly a really dark pattern that I feel has trapped a lot of unsure/insecure adolescent men. I had a college roommate who had a lot of trouble talking to people, and constantly watched a lot of self help videos (which is honestly a pretty good indicator of self-improvement). However, he was exposed to a lot of rabid political rhetoric at the same time. All it took to steer him away was getting him outside…

Fascism has always had a kind of "self-improvement" as a core of its appeal: it offers the freedom of scapegoating, of blaming others. It's a lot easier to go out and denounce someone than recognise the parts of yourself that need work and work on them. And it's very easy for people to enjoy being part of an angry mob, or reinforce their masculinity through street violence or weapons accumulation.

The "pick up artist" ecosystem had a similar appeal, of selling self-help to the vulnerable. That collapsed into the "incel" subculture of blaming everything on women and percieved more attractive men.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by pjc50 »

kjsbfkjbf wrote: post #108
notatoad wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tidal is a perfect analogy. It's a bunch of artists sitting around saying "hey, what if we just stopped caring about what our customers want?"

Rather, it's a bunch of artists sitting around saying, "Hey, what if we got paid fairly?".

It's not enough for the artists to agree on what "fair" means, the customers and whoever's actually paying have to agree too.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by kjsbfkjbf »

pjc50 wrote: post #112
kjsbfkjbf wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather, it's a bunch of artists sitting around saying, "Hey, what if we got paid fairly?".

It's not enough for the artists to agree on what "fair" means, the customers and whoever's actually paying have to agree too.

Not really.

An individual can absolutely value their output at any value they so choose and be correct. The idea that "the market" is a "fair" determinant of value should be challenged at every step lest we allow people to suffer because they do not have enough money to pay for the "fair" amount for healthcare.

That is not even mentioning that we do not have perfect information (to come to a "fair" value) and that facets orthogonal to product value (i.e. marketing, brand inertia) play a huge role in determining what customers are willing to pay for.

But even playing along with the naive model: Tidal has a non-zero amount of paying customers. Some people enjoy music (+ Tidal exclusives) enough to treat it as more than a cost:convenience ratio.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by kjsbfkjbf »

elliekelly wrote: post #22

I (naively) expected the platform to be paid for by the creators in a way where they all shared the operating costs while finding some “fair” way to allocate advertising income. Instead they’ve taken Jay-Z’s Tidal strategy: create a premium platform for the content creators and expect the content consumers to pay a premium price for it.

From the few content creators in my circle -- they all despise advertising as a way to monetize their production. It almost forces the content creator to refactor their content in such a way that plays nice with advertising. Not to mention income from advertising is inconsistent.

I much prefer the model Nebula uses even if I'm not their target audience (I do not consume much YouTube these days).

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by ALittleLight »

kkarakk wrote: post #96
ALittleLight wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My perception is YouTube has a hostility toward independent creators, and this niche could be better served. 1. Copyright system is easy to abuse and harshly punishes people perceived as infringing. 2. Videos demonetized for unpredictable reasons. 3. Trending page is basically off limits to YouTubers in favor of corporate media. E.g. Logan Paul requires 11 million views to hit the trending page whereas ESPN requires…

you do realize logan paul is ALSO a corporate creator right? there is a whole consortium of people that fund his antics in exchange for him shilling their stuff. It was an artificially created brand right from the beginning...Dude was a disney actor,why do you think his channel is indie in any way? your point stands but your choice of example is strange.

I picked him just because his figures are mentioned exactly in the article. It's also true of more independent creators.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by pjc50 »

kjsbfkjbf wrote: post #113
pjc50 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not enough for the artists to agree on what "fair" means, the customers and whoever's actually paying have to agree too.

Not really. An individual can absolutely value their output at any value they so choose and be correct. The idea that "the market" is a "fair" determinant of value should be challenged at every step lest we allow people to suffer because they do not have enough money to pay for the "fair" amount for healthcare. That is not even mentioning that we do not have perfect information (to come to a "fair" value) and that fa…

> An individual can absolutely value their output at any value they so choose and be correct.

I don't think a value can be "correct" or "wrong" in an absolute sense, it's a subjective property. You can value it at whatever you like but you may not find a buyer. If people are happy paying for Tidal, then it's fair to them.

> lest we allow people to suffer because they do not have enough money to pay for the "fair" amount for healthcare.

These are very different, given that one is far more essential than the other, which can also be duplicated for near-zero marginal cost.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by stcredzero »

pjc50 wrote: post #111
nostalgk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is honestly a really dark pattern that I feel has trapped a lot of unsure/insecure adolescent men. I had a college roommate who had a lot of trouble talking to people, and constantly watched a lot of self help videos (which is honestly a pretty good indicator of self-improvement). However, he was exposed to a lot of rabid political rhetoric at the same time. All it took to steer him away was getting him outside…

Fascism has always had a kind of "self-improvement" as a core of its appeal: it offers the freedom of scapegoating, of blaming others. It's a lot easier to go out and denounce someone than recognise the parts of yourself that need work and work on them. And it's very easy for people to enjoy being part of an angry mob, or reinforce their masculinity through street violence or weapons accumulation. The "pick up artist…

as a core of its appeal: it offers the freedom of scapegoating, of blaming others. It's a lot easier to go out and denounce someone than recognize the parts of yourself that need work and work on them. And it's very easy for people to enjoy being part of an angry mob

The above could also apply to the toxic segments of the "social justice" mobs.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by d0mine »

Aromasin wrote: post #105
Fomite wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd just like a venue where being mildly interested in games doesn't have an algorithm go "If you liked that, you'll love this fascist rant!"

"Self-help" videos targeted at men often lead to that too I've found. I might be watching a video about how to come across as more confident to people, or tricks to becoming more disciplined, and with just four or five clicks via Peterson/Milo/Shapiro videos you'll get to the "Lib CUCK get's destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC" side of YouTube.

if you use "facts" and "logic" as pejorative terms, there is something wrong with your argument.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by ballenf »

duxup wrote: post #41
stcredzero wrote: post #8

Here's the impression I'm getting looking at that page: It's like YouTube Originals. Curated, safe, sanitized. As an adult, this is like the last thing I'd want in a YouTube-like site, for my viewing. I don't feel like I'm likely to find something unusual or unexpected. On the other hand, if I was a parent looking to distract my very young kids, curated, safe, sanitized, and ad-free is exactly what I'd want. EDIT: Is…

Yeah I've sworn off YouTube for my kids... you can't whitelist anything and the amount of garbage even on YouTube kids is terrible.

What I'd like is a feature that requires kids to completely finish watching a selected video once before another will start. On Plex or YT.

Maybe I'm just "old", but something feels very unhealthy about enabling kids' propensity to flip between shows as soon as one gets the slightest bit slow. Or make them get up and walk over to the TV to switch channels :).

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