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With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by vict00ms »

paideic wrote: post #106

Somewhat off-topic, but I always thought the most prominent real-life reenactment of The Fox and the Grapes was all of the media and thinkpieces that people have written about how living for an extended period of time would be just _awful_. You wouldn't find many people who think that 40 years would be an acceptable lifespan, and most people would probably like to live to 100 if they got there in good health, but as…

I think the rapid mental and physical decline in your twilight years dissuades most people from wanting to live much longer than that, not some inane moral compulsion to live within our "rightful" lifespan.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by turd_ferguson33 »

bad_user wrote: post #94
sundvor wrote: post #62

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If I could find room for a squat rack+ bench at home I'd agree with you. :) Nothing beats proper squatting, deadlifting, bench and shoulder presses. I cycle a lot but the benefits for this desk jockey are marginal compared to doing stronglifts twice or thrice a week.

For bodyweight strength exercises you don’t need a squat rack and bench, or other equipment. Calisthenics develop muscle more harmoniously and yield stronger joints. You can also practice them literally anywhere, which helps when on the move.

You can practice them anywhere yes. Your other points are complete bullshit. Muscle develops harmoniously if you train it harmoniously. If you only do push ups you are doing calisthenics but not harmonious muscle development. And weight training strengthens your bones and joints far beyond what calisthenics can.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by agent008t »

coldtea wrote: post #79
agent008t wrote: post #66

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Serious. Don't have the statistics, but look up "gomad" for "gallon of full fat milk a day" - it is a thing for a reason.

Everything is a "thing for a reason". The reason could be a tiny outlier minority. You used the term "many".

I used the term "many" specifically because I do not have the stats. Not a majority, but a significant number of people, that struggle to gain weight.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by nudpiedo »

kristofferR wrote: post #64
nudpiedo wrote: post #15

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I can doubt of the engineering approach he advocates, because I am aware that people like me is completely an outsider in this branch of science and I cannot differentiate a charlatan from an actual scientist. You could fool a person ignorant enough in a speciality with statements such as: - To fly we just need a way to defeat gravity. - To resurrect a body we just need to insufflate the soul back to the body. - To m…

Charlatans sell stuff. De Grey funds stuff: https://www.sens.org/srf-publications/ Pretty massive difference.

I think funding doesn't qualify or disqualify him, if funding would give extra credibility points, tomorrow all charlatans of the world would fund something. He also raises big amounts of money and offers no results and that fact alone does imply nothing by itself.

P.D. many bluff companies have also lots of publications, papers etc... and that doesn't mean that they are innovative.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by snvzz »

nradov wrote: post #70
Beltiras wrote: post #5

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Well, we've had some wonderful crackpots through the ages. Tesla comes to mind. Whatever you think about his idea of escape velocity you can't doubt the engineering approach he advocates makes sense. Solve these 7 problems [1] and there will be no reason the organism should die. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey#The_seven_types...

Solve those 7 problems and we'll probably find an 8th.

This list has been stuck at 7 for a _very_ long time.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by davidivadavid »

agent008t wrote: post #66
SeanDav wrote: post #48

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Can't decide if this is sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek or serious. If serious - would love to see source(s) for that statistic....

Serious. Don't have the statistics, but look up "gomad" for "gallon of full fat milk a day" - it is a thing for a reason.

There's a difference between weight gain strategies to build muscle and eating because you're "underweight." People not working out and eating normally will be less bulky than people who work out and eat comparatively more. But they won't be "underweight."

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by duckymcduckface »

TelmoMenezes wrote: post #26
corobo wrote: post #20

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Immortality please

I wonder if you would enjoy it as much as you imagine.

You're following the narative trope of one person being immortal and watching as everything around them dies. If everyone is immortal it would be much more mundane than you'd expect, think more to the tune of "happy 679th mom" or "man remember that song from 179 years ago?"

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by agumonkey »

I don't see discussion about the natural emotional maturation process. Even with a much better body, I don't feel about life and things the same way. We might as well take care about not misaligning somatic health with mental health too much. It would be fruitless.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by Retra »

paideic wrote: post #106

Somewhat off-topic, but I always thought the most prominent real-life reenactment of The Fox and the Grapes was all of the media and thinkpieces that people have written about how living for an extended period of time would be just _awful_. You wouldn't find many people who think that 40 years would be an acceptable lifespan, and most people would probably like to live to 100 if they got there in good health, but as…

I feel like we might be habituated to justifying our own failures in terms of the restrictions life makes for us. I'm not a billionaire because I couldn't be. I'm not a world-class piano player because I couldn't be. And I can't be because life is too short for all that.

So when you tell somebody that life isn't short, suddenly they are confronted with the fact that maybe they could be those things, and now they have to justify why they haven't been working at it all along. "Well, I wouldn't want it anyway."

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by Retra »

vict00ms wrote: post #111
paideic wrote: post #106

Somewhat off-topic, but I always thought the most prominent real-life reenactment of The Fox and the Grapes was all of the media and thinkpieces that people have written about how living for an extended period of time would be just _awful_. You wouldn't find many people who think that 40 years would be an acceptable lifespan, and most people would probably like to live to 100 if they got there in good health, but as…

I think the rapid mental and physical decline in your twilight years dissuades most people from wanting to live much longer than that, not some inane moral compulsion to live within our "rightful" lifespan.

That decline is what kills you. If you live longer, it is necessary that this decline be inhibited. Saying you don't want to live longer is basically the same as saying you want to be less healthy.
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