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With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

mcv wrote: post #56
bad_user wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Be careful with crossfit training, though. If you favour crossfit style classes, just make sure you focus on your form.

The worst form I've ever seen has come out of crossfit classes. The way people learn to use ergometers in those classes makes me cringe—just asking for a ruined lower back. And lifting—it just looks painful.

Form, form, form. Can't stress it enough.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by TeMPOraL »

agent008t wrote: post #21
whatshisface wrote: post #12

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One thing is for sure, the average Western diet has so many calories than most people could probably do with a little restriction. (Not even to do anything special, just to return to a healthy state.)

At the same time, many young men in the West struggle to put on weight and are underweight.

Depends on the country, I suppose. I'm having a hard time finding stats for US that compare underweight and overweight % of population in one study.

Anecdotal evidence from Europe: in our industry, culturally associated with obesity, I meet roughly equal amount of obese and underweight people. And I seriously doubt those underweight people spend time in the gym.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

RichardHeart wrote: post #36

In this thread I've seen the overpopulation argument framed as theft. Here are all the others I've found. Summary of pro death arguments: Fairness Only rich people will get it. (No tech has ever done this.) Better to give money to the poor than science. (family, city, state, nation, has proven local investment beats foreign.) Bad for society Dead people make more room for new, other people. (consider going first.) Ru…

This is operating on equal faith that immortality as a system wouldn't have ill effects that would cause society to collapse and progress regressed. (See: Behavioral Sinks [0]). Immortality would be a massive fundamental change in the system of human civilization and should be treated with caution equivalent to a complete refactoring of the legacy codebase that human life, culture, and every facet of existence is currently based upon.

I find this post to be in bad faith evaluation of those making those arguments ('asking people to die out of fear').

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by bad_user »

sundvor wrote: post #62
bad_user wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

If I could find room for a squat rack+ bench at home I'd agree with you. :) Nothing beats proper squatting, deadlifting, bench and shoulder presses. I cycle a lot but the benefits for this desk jockey are marginal compared to doing stronglifts twice or thrice a week.

For bodyweight strength exercises you don’t need a squat rack and bench, or other equipment.

Calisthenics develop muscle more harmoniously and yield stronger joints.

You can also practice them literally anywhere, which helps when on the move.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by TeMPOraL »

qwsxyh wrote: post #30
novaRom wrote: post #7

Yes we can. Calorie restriction is well known slowing biological aging process. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

I swear most HN users have some form of orthorexia.

What? I guess you haven't seen normal people then. Compared to HN, normies seem to have "orthorexia" up to ridiculous levels. Hardly a day goes by without hearing a genpop opinion on what I or someone else should eat, or why $whatever-I-just-looked-at will give me cancer - all of it being regurgitated garbage from the magazines and news sites they read, without them realizing that those sources are not science, but entertainment.

(My gripe is less with individuals, who are inconsiderate - it's primarily with aforementioned entertainment sources that purposefully twist and misrepresent actual research and play on people's fears.)

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by mcv »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #91
mcv wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Be careful with crossfit training, though. If you favour crossfit style classes, just make sure you focus on your form. The worst form I've ever seen has come out of crossfit classes. The way people learn to use ergometers in those classes makes me cringe—just asking for a ruined lower back. And lifting—it just looks painful. Form, form, form. Can't stress it enough.

They pay a lot of attention to posture when lifting. Not so much when rowing, and at first I sometimes felt it in my lower back. There's a lot of focus on strengthening core muscles though, and I now feel like my abs and back are a lot stronger already, and I haven't felt any back trouble in ages. (Well, weeks, I guess; I've been doing this for half a year now.)

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by bad_user »

mcv wrote: post #56
bad_user wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Going to the gym makes me lose 30 minutes at least for the road.

You also end up exercising near other sweaty dudes, staying in line for the squat rack or whatever, then showering in conditions that are rarely ideal.

Whenever I go to the gym it takes at least an hour to go through my training, plus 30 minutes to get there and back. At home I can do my strength training in 15 minutes. I will then bike to and from work daily and thus get my cardio too.

A majority of people that pay for a gym membership don’t go to the gym and that’s a fact.

It depends on the individual I guess, but in my case not going to the gym and exercising at home is what made me a doer.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by ohaideredevs »

novaRom wrote: post #7

Yes we can. Calorie restriction is well known slowing biological aging process. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

>Calorie restriction is well known slowing biological aging process

Cut calories and you cut the amount of cardio and strength training you can do. This cuts muscles mass, bone density, and takes away the IQ-increasing brain simulation factors away. I am not sold at all.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by tumahimikka »

agent008t wrote: post #66
SeanDav wrote: post #48

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Can't decide if this is sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek or serious. If serious - would love to see source(s) for that statistic....

Serious. Don't have the statistics, but look up "gomad" for "gallon of full fat milk a day" - it is a thing for a reason.

This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read online, and I read Youtube comments. Gomad is for people trying to gain muscle mass and bulk up, not for people who are under a healthy weight.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by acheron »

mcv wrote: post #56
bad_user wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Totally opposite here. Running is much better than biking, and also I much prefer excising at home to a gym.

Point is: it's a personal preference. Glad you enjoy biking and going to the gym, but both of those sound terrible to me.

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