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Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by mistermann »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #97
toomanyrichies wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does it matter? It matters if they return to China with their American education and: -engage in nation-state attacks on behalf of the PLA [1], or -build facial-recognition software to further repress the Uyghur community [2], or -contribute to the "social credit" system which makes it next-to-impossible for everyday Chinese to express anything other than unvarnished support of the ruling party [3], or -eavesdrop o…

Every one of your scenarios has an American analog. You're basically reading off the script of the two minutes hate.

This doesn't seem true, can you provide examples?

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

tntn wrote: post #47
ekianjo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...

60-80% of graduate students in STEM fields in the U.S. are international students. It seems like having 60-80% fewer graduates would accelerate the decline of American science.

The lack of a stable career path accelerates the decline of American science.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

vuln wrote: post #50
TehCorwiz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

There have been some reports regarding Chinese students being spies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chin... https://www.wired.com/story/china-spy-recruitment-us/

I can confirm that certain prominent Midwestern schools have been dealing with espionage issues for 10+ years. This particular matter isn't just veiled right-wing racism.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by danielscrubs »

pluffycat wrote: post #77
Salgat wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right. China is desperately fighting brain drain and here we are giving them a helping hand.

zomg downvoted

From Tinder, I’d say height is the primary factor and shyness secondary. Let’s see when the first shy short guy gets the girl in a Hollywood movie. I’d like to stop Hollywoods gangster glorification also but...

Plenty of short famous actors so it’s just a matter of not trick filming. Maybe less makeup when we are at it?

I’ll stop because I both sound like an incel and as my parents at the same time.

I’m not even affected by this in any way. Now that I think about it, it works to my advantage. But it doesn’t feel right.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by inflatableDodo »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #97
toomanyrichies wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does it matter? It matters if they return to China with their American education and: -engage in nation-state attacks on behalf of the PLA [1], or -build facial-recognition software to further repress the Uyghur community [2], or -contribute to the "social credit" system which makes it next-to-impossible for everyday Chinese to express anything other than unvarnished support of the ruling party [3], or -eavesdrop o…

Every one of your scenarios has an American analog. You're basically reading off the script of the two minutes hate.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by j7ake »

potatofarmer45 wrote: post #73
jaggednad wrote: post #65

From a purely self-interested perspective, this is the dumbest thing the US could possibly do. There are talented people who want to leave China and come study and work in the US. We are basically stealing China’s best minds. Now we’re telling them they can’t come and shipping them back? I don’t think we should have conflict with China, but, if you are looking for conflict with China, sending brilliant minds back to…

The question, is these bright minds never spent 10 years at MIT or Harvard, and instead spent it at Peking University, would be they be of the same caliber?

It's harder to get into the top university in China than at MIT and Harvard. To think otherwise suggests a myopic view of the world.

Corollary: it's more prestigious to have done your bachelor's education at Tsinghua University than at MIT or Harvard. The top students in China do their Bachelor's degree in China. The ones who don't get into the top universities and have money are sent overseas.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by inflatableDodo »

beebmam wrote: post #90
jaggednad wrote: post #65

From a purely self-interested perspective, this is the dumbest thing the US could possibly do. There are talented people who want to leave China and come study and work in the US. We are basically stealing China’s best minds. Now we’re telling them they can’t come and shipping them back? I don’t think we should have conflict with China, but, if you are looking for conflict with China, sending brilliant minds back to…

Are you seriously saying that the children of the wealthiest families in China are "China's best minds"? Please, show me some evidence for this egregious claim. There is no such thing as modern Chinese meritocracy.

>There is no such thing as modern Chinese meritocracy.

Is closer to then original coinage than you might think. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/792606.The_Rise_of_the_M...

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by toomanyrichies »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #97
toomanyrichies wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does it matter? It matters if they return to China with their American education and: -engage in nation-state attacks on behalf of the PLA [1], or -build facial-recognition software to further repress the Uyghur community [2], or -contribute to the "social credit" system which makes it next-to-impossible for everyday Chinese to express anything other than unvarnished support of the ruling party [3], or -eavesdrop o…

Every one of your scenarios has an American analog. You're basically reading off the script of the two minutes hate.

Not sure what “two minutes hate” refers to, but whether there is an American analog or not is irrelevant. Or at least, it’s irrelevant from the perspective of the American foreign policy officials who craft the student visa rules which we’re discussing.

Re: Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

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Post by the_svd_doctor »

occamschainsaw wrote: post #87
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So once a student has been on a F-1 visa for more than a year, they face a risk of being barred from re-entering the US if they choose to visit their families?

No, iirc F1 visas are usually granted for length of program plus one year (5 for a BS etc). As long as the person maintains student status with the university, traveling to and fro is permitted.

No, there is no such a rule.

F-1 VISA are _typically_ granted for 5 years, but PhDs may be longer (6 or even more). Once your VISA expires, and if you go home, you need to reapply for a new one.

For some (a small fraction through), VISA are granted for 1 year or are single entry. Those categories of students sometimes chose not to leave the country, for the risk of getting their VISA denied (and, hence, their whole studies and everything with it) is too high (since they got a short in the first place). This is very common thinking within Chinese or Iranian communities.

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