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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by Twisell » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:12 AM UTC

baroffoos wrote: post #360

katbyte wrote: post #333

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I don’t think that is a fair comparison. Aside from hardware va software I personally have never had an issue with apple products last 3 or more years. Get apple care and they just fix or replace it when anything goes wrong. Better experience then my friends seem to have with other manufactures.

I have a collection of broken apple products from other people who were going to throw them out. Usually they have a fairly minor issue but its just about impossible to fix because of the use of insane amounts of glue or one way clips

It’s pretty funny though that you consider a few dozen Apple broken devices as "a collection" meanwhile a few dozen of Android broken devices is generally considered "a pile of thrash".

And this effect is massive last week I offered two of my old laptops to a friend child wanabee hacker. He quickly considered a 2012 HP for parts, then he kept on thanking me for a working state 2002 PPC iBook.

PS: To be honest he might be ranting about it in a few day, I’ve played around it a little and that 2002 iBook bios is a mostly undocumented nightmare!

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by xvector » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:12 AM UTC

NateEag wrote: post #364

_bxg1 wrote: post #295

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In a world where every other tech company swindles and manipulates consumers at every opportunity, I'm happy that at least one is incentivized to do the opposite, and has the power to do so.

Apple swindles, manipulates and mistreats developers to further their own ends. It's perhaps less evil than the kind of wholesale data-farming the other big tech companies are engaged in, but it still doesn't make me like the idea of Apple ascendant. And I was raised on Macs, giving Apple a heavy nostalgia bonus that they burned years ago.

Apple takes powers from developers hired by greedy companies and puts that power in the hands of the users.

You find that you're being strongarmed. As a oonsumer, I could not care less. Hell, I am thrilled that developers are being strongarmed when it comes to user privacy and security.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by infectoid » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:17 AM UTC

bichiliad wrote: post #270

untog wrote: post #32

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Presumably such services won't implement Sign In With Apple in the first place. People will accept it because they want the sheer quantity of users Apple provides. The useful thing about Apple is that they can force people to do things they don't particularly want to do, like accept anonymous e-mail addresses or stop using Flash. (unfortunately this is also the bad thing about Apple)

One other thing that seems powerful is that users that use Sign In With Apple have some guarantee of quality; with Apple using FaceId to authenticate, there's some amount of guarantee that you're not a bot.

I think this is something that people are missing when they suggest services will just block the Apple relay address.

Of course they wont. They still want the business and as you've pointed out, these accounts will be in a different customer engagement category. They are almost certainly real people and they a lot of value to marketers, even is you don't have all of their other personal details.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by fastball » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:18 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #287

peeters wrote: post #101

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My point is some of the information available now is that historically, companies that respect your privacy today might not tomorrow. And might only be respecting your privacy to get a monopoly on your data so they can exploit it later.

Difference is you can visibly see how Apple makes money. It's exclusively from premium hardware and services. And not from advertising or monetising your data.

Heh, "visibly see".

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by fastball » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:19 AM UTC

hesarenu wrote: post #402

TomVDB wrote: post #119

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The question was not "who do you trust", but "who do you trust more ". Given that Google's business model depends on data sharing whereas Apple has made privacy one of their core features, I think the answer has to be Apple, even if you don't trust them entirely.

They care for privacy only for people who are willing to pay their high prices though.

Are you implying that Apple should care about the privacy of people who are not their customers?

How would that work?

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by xvector » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

MRD85 wrote: post #237

mindgam3 wrote: post #233

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I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

Ok, thanks. I know nothing at all about Apple hardware. It's still a very daunting decision to make. I like the ability to buy my own hardware, for desktops, and to build what I like at a cheaper price. Apple charges a premium but now I have more of an idea of what that premium will get me. It would be a huge migration for me. Everything I own is tied to one of a few Gmail accounts. My photo history, my uni work in G…

Moving to Apple/Mac has been amazing. The interface is just so much smoother. The UX is thought out with much more care than anything Google/Microsoft offer. And I don't feel like I'm selling my soul when I'm using an Apple product - a huge plus.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by damnyou » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

basch wrote: post #353

noelsusman wrote: post #337

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The ability to run on my phone seems like an important feature.

Are you their customer? Do you buy their products? If not, then no you're not important. Their business model is to serve their paying customers.

Many people use devices from several ecosystems.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by skc » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:22 AM UTC

I'm no big fan of Apple, but I must say I get a perverse pleasure out of moves like this because you'd probably find that 90% of Facebook employees swear by and love Apple products.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by cwills » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:46 AM UTC

dfabulich wrote: post #321

untog wrote: post #32

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Presumably such services won't implement Sign In With Apple in the first place. People will accept it because they want the sheer quantity of users Apple provides. The useful thing about Apple is that they can force people to do things they don't particularly want to do, like accept anonymous e-mail addresses or stop using Flash. (unfortunately this is also the bad thing about Apple)

"[Sign In with Apple] will be required as an option for users in apps that support third-party sign-in when it is commercially available later this year." https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=06032019j

Sign in, but not sign up? I guess some apps will not allow accounts to be created through the iOS app. Much like netflix stopped allowing sign up on iOS [https://gadgets.ndtv.com/entertainment/news/netflix-ios-app-...]

There by, when apple passes a XXXXXXX@privaterelay.appleid.com address back, it won't match the existing account's email address = Sorry, matching account not found ?

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by diminoten » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:49 AM UTC

bscphil wrote: post #417

diminoten wrote: post #393

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Sensible people absolutely do choose a phone on the basis of how they're perceived by owning that phone. Perception has value. You can rail against society all you want, but the reality is your peers make and break you.

I guess to each their own - I don't consider that sensible. Personally I've never been in an environment where it was common to judge others for the model of their phone, and complying with that level of control over my life and decisions, even for a moderate social reward, doesn't seem sensible to me.

If you've never dealt with this level of pettiness, signaling, and superficiality, then you've never operated at any meaningful level of power, unfortunately.