Trump's Next Trade War Target: Chinese Students at Elite Schools

Post by the_svd_doctor » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 4:47 AM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 4:51 AM UTC

henrikschroder wrote: post #49

ekianjo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> . If they further hamstring themselves by excluding Chinese students, the decline of American science will accelerate dramatically it is a strange assumption to make since by all counts the US is already the country in the world with the most diverse population. It is not as if science is only the work of students or even in particular foreign students...

The US has a massive advantage in science (and business) in that many of the best and brightest from across the world want to come to the US, despite the hurdles and issues of getting student visas or work visas. This means that as a country you don't have to pay for the primary and secondary schooling of all these people, but you get to reap the rewards of them working in your country and contributing to your scient…

Post by ETHisso2017 » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 4:56 AM UTC

the_svd_doctor wrote: post #72

nneonneo wrote: post #9

Students from China (and many other countries) are required to renew their visas annually, a process which is already quite nerve-wracking for many. PhDs in particular can take anywhere from 4 to 8 years to complete, meaning 4-8 chances for your studies to be interrupted with the only option to return home while the visa renewal stalls. This article explicitly calls out the fact that renewals seem to have been gettin…

Your first point is incorrect. First a student asks for an F-1 (sometimes J-1) visa. This can be delivered for a single entry (typical for Iranian students for instance), or for 1 or like 5 years (the common case for international students). The visa lets you _enter_ the country. Once admitted in the US, a student can remain indefinitely while maintaining its student status (including school transfers). This applies…

Post by jtanderson » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:02 AM UTC

Salgat wrote: post #71

jaggednad wrote: post #65

From a purely self-interested perspective, this is the dumbest thing the US could possibly do. There are talented people who want to leave China and come study and work in the US. We are basically stealing China’s best minds. Now we’re telling them they can’t come and shipping them back? I don’t think we should have conflict with China, but, if you are looking for conflict with China, sending brilliant minds back to…

You're absolutely right. China is desperately fighting brain drain and here we are giving them a helping hand.

Post by DiogenesKynikos » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:08 AM UTC

caminante wrote: post #41

macintux wrote: post #11

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I must admit to some confusion about why federally-funded cancer research results aren’t available to everyone.

The issue isn't collaboration or information-sharing. The researchers didn't disclose affiliations and violated non-disclosures. Those are pure ethics violations (and conflicts of interest) that undermine research integrity. If they're willing to lie there, what else are they willing to lie about? Quote from another article: > The reports say that the researchers failed to disclose international collaborators and tha…