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Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by ilovecaching »

yzxku wrote: post #90
ilovecaching wrote: post #26

Absolutely not interested in spending that much for something that’s not OLED. OLED is the future of display technologies. We’re already seeing it hit the laptop display market. You’ll get significantly better contrast for professional work, power savings, and reduced eye strain from not staring at 1000nit light bulbs all day. Also the stand part was funny.

OLED is absolute crap. Low brightness, slower than LCD, burnin, uses more energy for bright UIs, turns yellow with time (as blue LEDs degrade faster), and a thousand more things I don't remember. OLED is only sold because of eye-candy.

Significant advancements have been made that make degradation to half brightness slower than LCD displays possible with less energy. OLED displays are already being put into consumer screens including the laptop market with the X1 extreme gen 2, and I believe Dell and Razer are now making them as well.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by IshKebab »

dmix wrote: post #83
october_sky wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By up-market, they're pushing themselves out of my market. $999 for a stand? No thanks, I can think of plenty of better things to spend $999 on.

You probably weren't their target market then. Most likely it will be companies buying this for their employees, not consumers for themselves. Whether releasing this without an upgraded consumer/prosumer level display was a good idea is another question.

I've never worked in a company that would blow $1k on a stand. Assuming it is VESA mount they'll just buy a cheaper alternative. If it isn't I'm sure some Chinese companies will oblige soon enough.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by ilovecaching »

gridlockd wrote: post #49
ilovecaching wrote: post #26

Absolutely not interested in spending that much for something that’s not OLED. OLED is the future of display technologies. We’re already seeing it hit the laptop display market. You’ll get significantly better contrast for professional work, power savings, and reduced eye strain from not staring at 1000nit light bulbs all day. Also the stand part was funny.

OLED absolutely is not the future of display technology. Besides phones, it's a stopgap solution for TVs until MicroLEDs become feasible. OLED makes for terrible monitors to use for hours on end, with all the stationary UI elements causing burn-in. It's an unsolved problem. OLED also isn't all that bright, especially on a smaller screen. You want those nits for bright HDR content, like the sun, not to stare at it all…

Lenovo is already starting to sell them. SamsUng would have told you they are too expensive to produce until LG figured it out, just like they’ve figured out how to make sceeen from phones to TVs with real longevity. We’ll see about competition when it comes.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by wuliwong »

briandear wrote: post #69
geophile wrote: post #28

Apple is just completely out of touch now, aren't they?

Not with their target audience. The cheapest Red camera body is $14950, without a lens -- and that's a 5k camera. The cheapest 8k Red body is $25k. Panavision rents for $800-2500+ per day. So about $11k for a complete editing computer with the power to handle multiple 8k streams isn't expensive at all in the context of those industries. The Mac Pro isn't a "web developer" machine or an advanced spreadsheet runner --…

Are there concerns amongst these companies about the lack of hardware updates to products like this by Apple? What hardware are these companies using at the moment? iMac Pros? And before that they were using 2013 Mac Pros? I think there was a 4 year gap between those products I think? I'm surprised that more companies in industries that use this type of hardware haven't left the apple ecosystem. I have a home recording studio, so I have some desire for good hardware but I can get away with a regular iMac. It's hard for me to have perspective on this stuff.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by aeriklawson »

mikestew wrote: post #5

I'm hearing that the LG displays were running out of stock, possibly in anticipation of a new Apple display. Sure enough...wait a minute, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Oh, I understand it's a reference-quality, blah, blah, blah, but I just need something to replace an aging Cinema display that was originally $1000. The fucking stand for the new display costs that much (note the audience response when that price popped on t…

I really don't think Apple expects any average consumer to buy this. It's definitely aimed at creative professionals and enterprise, hence why it was launched with the Mac Pro and costs an obscene amount.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by litany »

village-idiot wrote: post #86
phaus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But its not an insane resolution. Its twice as expensive as 8k monitors and the only reason they used a proprietary resolution was to attempt to justify it. I thought the monitor was going to be around 2-3k like others in its class. I agree that the stand might be the ugliest thing they've ever made.

I don’t think that the resolution was an attempt to justify the price. If that was the case, why go down in resolution from what’s available? Maybe if they were selling a 9k I would buy it. Based off some back of the envelope math I did a while ago, I think Apple decided that 6k is the maximum usable resolution for a desktop monitor. At reasonable viewing distances you should be able to tell the difference between a…

Unless you just make it bigger. They talked about being able to have 6 of the things and were showing dual monitors much of the time. Ultrawides have been demonstrating that there is demand for larger monitors. Most people who want a two or three monitor setup would probably be even happier with a single, larger monitor.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by extra88 »

IshKebab wrote: post #132
dmix wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably weren't their target market then. Most likely it will be companies buying this for their employees, not consumers for themselves. Whether releasing this without an upgraded consumer/prosumer level display was a good idea is another question.

I've never worked in a company that would blow $1k on a stand. Assuming it is VESA mount they'll just buy a cheaper alternative. If it isn't I'm sure some Chinese companies will oblige soon enough.

The stand connector is custom but Apple sells a VESA adapter for “only” $200.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by dethac »

zachwood wrote: post #121
phaus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But its not an insane resolution. Its twice as expensive as 8k monitors and the only reason they used a proprietary resolution was to attempt to justify it. I thought the monitor was going to be around 2-3k like others in its class. I agree that the stand might be the ugliest thing they've ever made.

I thought they made a pretty good case why there is nothing else in its class, the only thing close being the $30k sony reference monitor.

Isn't that thing OLED? I'm not surprised that it's 30k. It's effectively local dimming... for each pixel. Not at all comparable to Apple's HDR display.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by dethac »

wuliwong wrote: post #127
zachwood wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought they made a pretty good case why there is nothing else in its class, the only thing close being the $30k sony reference monitor.

I know nothing about "reference grade" monitors. Can anyone comment on the veracity of the only competing product for this new monitor costing $30,000?

IIRC Sony's is an OLED display. Different display technology. Very expensive. Entirely different. You can't do what an OLED can do with an LCD.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by gridlockd »

ilovecaching wrote: post #133
gridlockd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OLED absolutely is not the future of display technology. Besides phones, it's a stopgap solution for TVs until MicroLEDs become feasible. OLED makes for terrible monitors to use for hours on end, with all the stationary UI elements causing burn-in. It's an unsolved problem. OLED also isn't all that bright, especially on a smaller screen. You want those nits for bright HDR content, like the sun, not to stare at it all…

Lenovo is already starting to sell them. SamsUng would have told you they are too expensive to produce until LG figured it out, just like they’ve figured out how to make sceeen from phones to TVs with real longevity. We’ll see about competition when it comes.

Nobody figured out burn-in or longevity with OLED. Sure, some companies may sell such products, that doesn't mean they solved these issues. It just means they don't care about those issues.
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