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Re: Zero Rupee Note

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Post by fellellor »

cryptozeus wrote: post #82
throwmex wrote: post #71

> One autorick-shaw driver was pulled over by a policeman in the middle of the night who said he could go if he was "taken care of". The driver gave him the note instead. The policeman was shocked but smiled and let him go. Too good to be true. On another note, what people usually do (when they are asked a bribe) is to notify the vigilance officer. The vigilance department provides marked original currency notes powd…

It is too good to be true, police would have smashed him just out of ego

Only if you want to see the worst in people.

The bribe accepting police is also, in many cases, not doing this out of malice. Police financing in India is pretty fucked up, and I find it surprising how we have a functioning society with such underfinanced and overworked police, even in the well to do urban areas.

Anyways if you are the police in that situation, it makes much more sense to let the "activist" sort of guy, who has gone to the trouble of procuring such notes, go away and just wait for the next sucker to show up. Creating a scene which will definitely get you attention, and fired/suspended is a more stupider course of action.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#102

Post by amingilani »

u801e wrote: post #79
amingilani wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pakistani ten rupee note's parody, while current, is half done. It reads ۱۰ which is 10 in Urdu, and literally says "ten rupees" in Urdu on the top. I'm assuming it was done by an English speaking individual that didn't know how to do it right. I'd love to contribute.

> and literally says "ten rupees" in Urdu on the top. Are you saying that they literally spell the word ten in Urdu script rather than dus (Urdu for 10)?

Oh no, it says "dus rupay". It doesn't transliterate it. That would be weird :)

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#103

Post by tedunangst »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #45
bubblethink wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>why bother with the work of arresting them? Sport, ego, anger, setting precedent, higher payout after arresting etc. Any number of reasons. It's all fun and games to give 0 rupee notes, until you are locked up. And then your bribe to get out has gone up manifold, unless you are willing to fight it out in a court (which you aren't).

I'd get rum, cushions and a book delivered under the guise of someone claiming to be fetching money. edit - and a bundle of zero rupee notes to distribute round the jail, along with half the rum and a promise to send more rum, the quicker I get out.

Arrested by a corrupt cop? Just send out for some rum and a book. One has to wonder why more people don't do this. Instead they spend their time worrying that maybe something unpleasant will happen.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#104

Post by tareqak »

For some reason, this joke/meme came to my mind immediately when I read the Wikipedia page:

Me: I'd like a Coke please. Waiter/Waitress: Is Pepsi OK? Me: Is Monopoly money OK?

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#105

Post by aij »

That reminds me of when my university kept sending me a $0 bill every month after I graduated. They kept sending them, so eventually I wrote a $0 check and sent it back in the business-reply envelope. I guess they were happy I had paid my bill because they finally stopped sending them.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#106

Post by pm90 »

fellellor wrote: post #101
cryptozeus wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is too good to be true, police would have smashed him just out of ego

Only if you want to see the worst in people. The bribe accepting police is also, in many cases, not doing this out of malice. Police financing in India is pretty fucked up, and I find it surprising how we have a functioning society with such underfinanced and overworked police, even in the well to do urban areas. Anyways if you are the police in that situation, it makes much more sense to let the "activist" sort of g…

> how we have a functioning society with such underfinanced and overworked police, even in the well to do urban areas.

The answer is that we don't.

If we did have better functioning police systems, you would see a lot more growth in a lot of Indian cities. The biggest cities escape the tyranny of local powers simply because people living in these cities accumulate vast financial resources to essentially circumvent Government services (e.g. you will see private guards everywhere, gangs running protection rackets that try to ensure that "Justice" is served etc.).

This lack of basic government services and infrastructure can be crippling, especially to businesses and people looking to make long term investments.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#107

Post by inflatableDodo »

tedunangst wrote: post #103
inflatableDodo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd get rum, cushions and a book delivered under the guise of someone claiming to be fetching money. edit - and a bundle of zero rupee notes to distribute round the jail, along with half the rum and a promise to send more rum, the quicker I get out.

Arrested by a corrupt cop? Just send out for some rum and a book. One has to wonder why more people don't do this. Instead they spend their time worrying that maybe something unpleasant will happen.

This is why I have just shared the rum with people with extravagant facial tattoos.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

#108

Post by pandapower2 »

oconnor663 wrote: post #32

I wonder how similar bribery culture is to tip culture. In the US where we tip restaurant workers, restaurant wages are often much lower than comparable positions in industries that don't have tipping, so much so that the difference is often explicitly included in minimum wage laws. Do countries with more bribery experience a similar effect, where the wages of police officers and other bribery-prone worker are much l…

You've touched on one of the ways I think a country can end up with an ingrained police bribery problem.

The government knows they need a larger police force but that would cost more than the government can afford. How can you have the police force you require without breaking the bank? Easy, just pay the police poorly but let it be known that you will look the other way when they top up their income.

Once this reliance on police corruption is established it is hard to shift. Often the government doesn't have the financial means to unilaterally raise police salaries to a level that removes the need for bribes. And if salaries stay low anti-corruption drives are likely to fail as current police officers need bribes to survive. A genuine reduction in bribery can also cause police officers to quit and make it difficult to recruit new ones.

Re: Zero Rupee Note

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

smadurange wrote: post #93
oconnor663 wrote: post #32

I wonder how similar bribery culture is to tip culture. In the US where we tip restaurant workers, restaurant wages are often much lower than comparable positions in industries that don't have tipping, so much so that the difference is often explicitly included in minimum wage laws. Do countries with more bribery experience a similar effect, where the wages of police officers and other bribery-prone worker are much l…

It's not really that tricky. Singapore is one country who has got this beautifully right.

Petty corruption of the "50 rupee backhander to the traffic cops" variety is indeed unknown in Singapore. However, it's unlikely the upper echelons of power are cleaner than anywhere else, and in fact probably less so because of the concentration of power and wealth in the Lee family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Singapore

Re: Zero Rupee Note

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

swamy_g wrote: post #89
thtthings wrote: post #46

I don't think people actually use the note though. I don't see anyone having guts to give that note to policemen or government officials in India. Everyone in India just like the US is scared of the Police and know not to mess with them.

People in US are scared of the police? I am from India and have been in US for a while now and have never been scared of the cops (unlike my time in India).

Indian cops may take take bribes, but they're unlikely to shoot you at a traffic stop. (Unless you "encounter" them in the wrong place, that is.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police#I...

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