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Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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Having not drunk an ANSI cup of ISO coffee, what is the approximate amount being discussed? A pack a day (of ground beans)? How many GreatBrittan cups are in, e.g. a typical Swedes' coffee?

'cup' typically refers to a demitasse in colloquial coffeespeak, but this is a scientific study, so ymmv. should be roundabouts 100mlish for demitasse and 200ml for US cup, give or take

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

#62

I love coffee but I feel three per day is pushing it. Do people really drink much more than that?

I used to work across from a Starbucks and I'd routinely have three venti light brews over the day, 60 oz is 5 cups. And Starbucks was very high in caffeine content for drip coffee, plus light roasts have more caffeine.

For me, it was something I could sip all day long, especially as black coffee is a tasty zero-calorie beverage, and at least in the morning I'd feel that rush of focus. Eventually had to give it up due to insomnia.

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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When we parametrize complex systems in studies such as this, I feel we tend to lose the forest for the trees. Okay, so maybe 25 cups of coffee a day won't destroy my heart. But this is what happens when I have 5 cups of coffee a day: 1) I get jumpy and I feel anxious. If I drink too much I start to feel what I can only describe as existential dread (I know it's weird). 2) I can't hold on to things because my hands ar…

> When we parametrize complex systems in studies such as this, I feel we tend to lose the forest for the trees.

I think that's an unfair accusation. The study set out to answer a very specific question, and did so. Knowledge often progresses by building big pictures out of the answers to lots of little questions. In terms of your forest metaphor, I would say that the study is "identifying some specific groups of trees in the forest".

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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I love coffee but I feel three per day is pushing it. Do people really drink much more than that?

I drink about a couple of liters per day, sometimes less, depending on the mood. I think I have no caffeine sensitivity at all, since I have normal BP, no sleep problems, and am able to stop drinking all caffeinated beverages for a few weeks without any (obvious) problems (did it several times after getting tired of the taste). All these personal anecdotes ( when I stopped drinking coffee, my wife returned to me, and…

I'm about at the 25 cups point (2-3 pots of coffee a day), and I too have no issues, drinking sunup to sundown (and have done so for close to 20 years).

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I drink too much I start to feel what I can only describe as existential dread (I know it's weird). Not weird at all. It’s that free-form, nameless, unspecified anxiety.

+1 here. I can't describe it, but it's like a feeling that I'm about to die, that everything is about to end. Needless to say, it's not pleasant.

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Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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When we parametrize complex systems in studies such as this, I feel we tend to lose the forest for the trees. Okay, so maybe 25 cups of coffee a day won't destroy my heart. But this is what happens when I have 5 cups of coffee a day: 1) I get jumpy and I feel anxious. If I drink too much I start to feel what I can only describe as existential dread (I know it's weird). 2) I can't hold on to things because my hands ar…

I love the taste of coffee, had cafe au lait as a kid, then brewed, then french press and stove top moka pot. The last two methods slowly made me sick. It turns out when not using a paper filter, things like cafestol makes it through the process in higher concentration and after a few days of consumption I would get intense pain near my liver/gallbladder, for about 30 minutes I would be on the bathroom floor waiting for it to pass, often only vomiting helped. I stopped coffee and those symptoms stopped. Later tried poured over coffee with a paper filter , after a few days those symptoms would come back. Decaf doesn't help. Now in my late 30s I can't have coffee, tea or chocolate. The caffeine/theine/theobromine was not good either, anxiety, headaches, muscle twitching, heart palpitations, irritability, leading to, sorry for the detail, dehydration and hard stools. It's been a year since I've stopped, and I feel serene, easier to stay hydrated, better sleep and great bowel movement. If someone can invent the impossible burger equivalent of coffee (no caffeine, cafestol, roasting carcinogens ...) I'll be first in line, not sure how long that line would be though.

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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Having not drunk an ANSI cup of ISO coffee, what is the approximate amount being discussed? A pack a day (of ground beans)? How many GreatBrittan cups are in, e.g. a typical Swedes' coffee?

There isn't a ANSI/ISO standard to my knowledge. But some ramblings that might help you ballpark it:

One shot of espresso equates to roughly 100mg of caffeine - give or take (a lot).

>How many GreatBrittan cups

Assuming you're British...if you walk Costa and ask for a small black...you're getting around 2 cups worth of caffeine. Just under 200mg. They're not likely to serve you anything north of 400mg.

Tolerances for caffeine are all over the place. I know that personally at around 1000mg per day things go for focused/wired to uncomfortable for me.

25 cups...is at least double that.

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably drink 6-8 cans of soda daily, though they've got less caffeine than a cup of coffee. I find I just like to sip on something constantly, and water gives me a headache.

You'll probably save money on shoes later in life with stats like that... Every cloud ect.

I didn't know Sucralose had any effect on my blood sugar!

Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says

#70

I don't believe many studies these days....industry lobbyists carry scientists around in their pockets like so many nickels and dimes...

This is so sad, but unfortunately so true :(

And I really have no idea how to solve it without an effective replication/peer-review process, which is currently not popular for scientists trying to make a name for themselves.

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