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Re: New Mac Pro

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Only apple could manage to call a bent piece of metal pipe a "space frame". Or every architect and engineer in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_frame

Only Apple could get shat on for using appropriate but obscure terminology.

retina display, cinema display

I think pretentious is the right word.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Well, if the baseline for the Pro market was made up of people who could afford the last version, then one can make the argument that Apple is the one that has redefined "Pro".

It seems evident that Apple views the "pro" market as movie studios, large corporations, and media entities that need serious computing power. On HN "pro" is three guys at a co-working space using coupons to buy coffee. It's these people who will complain the loudest about the new Mac Pro.

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Re: New Mac Pro

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Complaining only signals that you are not the market they’re targeting. This is for Hollywood media makers, high end studios, etc. This was never to be a mass market item.

I worked at two movie studios (Pixar, Weta Digital) and they were both almost 100% Linux with a smattering of Windows machines here and there. Apple stuff was mainly iPads for story boarding and that kind of stuff.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Competing on what, markup? What advantage does this hardware give for movie studios when consumer grade hardware outperforms it?

It runs macOS and those consumer grade computers don't. If the best colorist in the area is working on your film, you give them the tools they ask for.

The color graders here run 10-bit/color HDR monitors that have a wide gamut. Apple doesn't have monitors that support this. (The new one _might_ do the trick; we'll see.) Everyone here doing professional color work is on PCs supplied by Thinkmate. This is standard in Hollywood, too.

Re: New Mac Pro

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I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

> 580X is old, 2017 old Is it? This site claims it came out in March 2019 but I definitely can't keep the various graphics card lines separate in my head: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-580x.c3398

The 580X is technically "new" but it's the same Polaris 20 GPU chip that has been around since the RX480 in 2016 and has seen several rebadges accompanied by slight clockspeed bumps. This particular rebadge is Apple-specific and debuted with the recent iMac refresh.

Re: New Mac Pro

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The price saddens me. The $6K base is twice the base of the 2013 Mac Pro when it was released. Some quick spec-ing for a somewhat-equivalent DIY build gives somewhere around $3K. The build I was already spec-ing for my next workstation has 2x RAM, 16x SSD, SFP+ NIC and is under $5K. I hope at least that the SSDs are standard M.2, but looking at the pictures I’m not sure they are.

Where did you find the price?

Re: New Mac Pro

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I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

256GB SSD and base video card is fine.

I would definitely look at a Mac Pro for software development (every minute counts) and if you're in that group there is simply no need for more storage or decent graphics.

Re: New Mac Pro

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So... > In architecture and structural engineering, a space frame or space structure (3D truss) is a rigid, lightweight, truss-like structure constructed from interlocking struts in a geometric pattern. Space frames can be used to span large areas with few interior supports. Like the truss, a space frame is strong because of the inherent rigidity of the triangle; I don't see any triangles here.. All the examples on t…

Triangles aren't the only forms used to build space frames. There are lots of geometries that can be used.

Can you show me an example of one? A google image search for "space frame" shows lots of triangles, and not a single thing that consists of a curved bar.

Re: New Mac Pro

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post #52

I know being expandable is important here but I am stunned by the fact that an iMac Pro actually comes with better SSD and Video Card for less money and you get a screen to boot! 256g SSD is shameful, I don't care what they were thinking. No Nvidia support mentioned so I know a few that just wrote it off for that oversight alone. They will probably hold out just to be sure but that was the hope for them and others. W…

256g of SSD would be appropriate under the conditions that a) this is a very basic and affordable configuration, so less than 3k and b) the machine would be user-expandable with NVMe drives or similar. Then you would get the minimal SSD just good enough to install the OS and put in third party storage to save money. And of course, you would want to be able to put in more than 4T of storage.

256G of SSD is also fine if you store all of your data on a enterprise file array. Then the 256G only is used for OS, Applications and caching.

Re: New Mac Pro

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3D modelers want NVIDIA cards, not Radeon, as NVIDIA supports CUDA. This has been a longstanding issue with 3D folks; the old trashcan Mac Pro had NVIDIA GPUs even with otherwise-outdated internals. When rumblings came of new Mac Pros a few years ago there was excitement that they could get some fast machines again; alas this appears not to be the case.

The old Mac Pro has AMD FirePro GPUs. Not Nvidia

Depends on your definition of "old". From 2006 to 2009 they were nvidia, and then in 2010 they switched.
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