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Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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I'm disappointed, but not surprised in your measurement of success. Many tout record box office takings as clear success but I rather think that really reflects on inflation (both real and artificial). Look at admissions over time. I only have UK numbers to hand [1] but despite an increasing population, we're still at barely a tenth of our 1950 numbers. MPAA stats [2] seem to show the US in decline over the last few…

From the data in your link [1] Cinema attendance looks very healthy, and in fact in 2018 was at it's highest level since 1971 and is more than tripple it's low point in 1984. That much better than I was expecting and frankly in my eyes kills the 'Cinema is dying' meme stone dead. I don't understand how you can be looking at the same table and coming to such a different conclusion.

I'm not saying cinema is dying, at all. I'm reacting to a statement that said "cinema is having its most successful years ever". That is only true in gross and that's only true because tickets are so expensive.

If you're going to make qualitative claims, where the price of a unit is largely fixed at a point in time, I think you have to compare quantity of sales, not gross.

It's all marketing wank. A way for producers to pomp around with their "record"-breaking titles. And at a financial level, sure, whatever... But that's not how these statements are used.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

If you look at the pricing ($6.99/mo) and content of Disney+ its honestly meant to be an add-on to a person/family's existing media subscription set. Disney+ will only contain content from their large IP (Star Wars, Marvel, Pixar, Disney Studios) in addition to some National Geographic content.

There will be nowhere near the amount of content of Netflix. Additionally all content seems to skew family friendly, which isn't true of Netflix. Lastly, its clear given their recent takeover of Hulu (plus what was said in the Dinsey+ unveil) that Hulu will be their Netflix competitor.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

Weirdly I was thinking of cancelling all subscriptions for a while. See how long I go before resubbing and what I resub to.

The real threat to these services is that attention is finite, as is my money. I can't afford to have lots of services with low utility.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

I'm disappointed, but not suprised, to see this post so high. Despite all the ways of watching films at home, cinema is having its most successful years ever, so clearly many people are enjoying the films Hollywood is putting out.

I bet the accounts still say they lost money. If only they didn't have to pay offshore shell corporations hundreds of millions to use their IP ...

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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I used to always use a VPN for Netflix but then they started cracking down and it stopped working. Are you still able to use a VPN to view content from a different region?

if the vpn is well known it gets blocked by netflix, have to experiment with what doesn't get tracked

At that point simply grabbing a torrent seems easier and more reliable.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Of all the streaming services, Netflix is the one I’m most likely to cancel soon. The quality of Netflix original content is dismal. They have jumped the shark. Used to invest in serious drama, now it’s all lowest common denominator crap hidden behind a huge marketing budget to capture zeitgeisty hype. I just watched the first episode of When They See Us today: total crap. Ridiculous over-acting, awful writing that f…

The original content of Netflix is mediocre at best. It feels the content is analytics driven and commissioned than made out of passion.

I canceled Netflix a month or so back. I just use Hulu and Prime Video.

I replaced some popular shows with DVDs. They’re surprisingly affordable nowadays.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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What's good on HBO? I used a VPN to subscribe to HBO and Hulu and ended up canceling it because I ended up watching more Netflix than those services...

I think the newest on HBO is Chernobyl which is pretty good IMO.

Will check it out. Thanks.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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I don't think piracy will come back as streaming becomes more segregated, people generally will go with the legitimate market over illegal means as long as the fiction is under a certain level. Most Americans would rather pay an extra $15 a month for streaming that to pirate content and go through the "hassle" of getting that pirated content on their TV. How many non-tech people do you know who can mirror a PC or lap…

My old dad would rather pirate then pay any amount of money and still have commercials shoved down his throat. He feels it is double dipping so to speak. Plus pirates get 4K streams vs Netflix which serves you quality based on what you pay. I feel the hassle was fixed a long time ago. It’s pretty much point and click these days.

> Plus pirates get 4K streams vs Netflix which serves you quality based on what you pay.

And based on your operating system and browser. Even FullHD is hard (might still be impossible even) to get if you run a free software stack. Netflix wants you to run the heaviest DRM stack possible (even though their content is available in 4K from your local friendly neighbourhood torrent site).

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

#139

Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

>Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month.

Yes, Disney can charge whatever they want and people will pay it even if they don't want to and/or can't afford it because economics do not apply...

...right?

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Also the garbage comic book BS they put up every 6 months. Noooo not recycled garbage at all. /s

I wish that Hollywood still made movies for the the 30+ non-geek audience of which I am a part of, I almost literally fell asleep during the last Avengers movie. There are some gems here and there (the last two Peele movies) but they are getting really far and few between.

>There are some gems here and there (the last two Peele movies) but they are getting really far and few between.

What do you consider "Hollywood"? Get Out and Us were both independent movies, were they not?

Hollywood has always been Hollywood.

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