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Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by zaarn »

jsmeaton wrote: post #99
zaarn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sonarr/Radarr can acquire the media files fairly easily, requires not that much setup. If torrent is risky in your country, they also support Usenet, which has most of the recent releases as well (and can be faster in some situations).

Setting up sonarr and radarr is not trivial, especially if you’re hooking it up to Usenet. I spend a couple of hours every year repairing the setup after the NAS has updated the mono version. Finding the right Usenet server and the correct alternative block accounts, and then just the right search provider. Ugh. But it’s magical once everything is setup.

It's not actually that complicated. There are templates that let you deploy both in a single click on a webinterface. You can use free crawlers for content out of the box.

Various usenet providers provide you with picture-by-picture guides on how to setup Sonarr and Radarr.

There are single-click Usenet and Torrent clients with VPN integration. Just upload the ovpn file as provided by your VPN provider and you're done.

This is all either single click or explained thuroughly and easy to understand on-site or in the products FAQ/Installation Guide.

Once you have it all, you can share Plex with others, which is even more easy than all of the above. Your friends and family have access to all the movies for very low cost (up to free).

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by blahblahblogger »

CJefferson wrote: post #87
netwanderer3 wrote: post #74

Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

I'm disappointed, but not suprised, to see this post so high. Despite all the ways of watching films at home, cinema is having its most successful years ever, so clearly many people are enjoying the films Hollywood is putting out.

> cinema is having its most successful years ever, so clearly many people are enjoying the films Hollywood is putting out.

Is that really true or is it just films like "Avengers" who make Hollywood's balance sheet look better than ever?

I'm not entirely convinced that the film industry can survive without giant blockbusters like that.

You might say that there's always been blockbusters, but although I don't have any data on this I imagine the proportion of $ that these films make up has only grown over time. Maybe leading to a reliance on a few big hits.

I consider this one of the reasons we've seen a proliferation of super-hero/comic adaptions (an endless supply of material here) and other giant movies tapping into an existing fanbase (Star Wars, Fast/Furious, etc).

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by chx »

chx wrote: post #67
voidwtf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same old out of touch attitude that led to the “you wouldn’t steal a car would you” commercials. Nobody has to watch the content but they want to. You have fly-by-nights and unethical operations abounding that make everything only a google search away, sometimes with a single click. I agree that people should not be entitled to the intellectual property of others. However, like the war on drugs and sex ed…

> You have fly-by-nights and unethical operations abounding that make everything only a google search away, sometimes with a single click. Somebody uploaded the entire The Queen's Corgi on YouTube in pristine 720p quality (they must have had access to a BluRay to get this quality) and it's not even out in the USA yet (I am not even sure it'll even be released at all). No tricks, no visual artefacts to hide it, nothin…

Oh and I forgot: even 20 years ago the infamous DivX ;-) codec was already out. It wasn't xvid, it was DivX that started the digital movie piracy big time.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by oblio »

oliwarner wrote: post #97
CJefferson wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disappointed, but not suprised, to see this post so high. Despite all the ways of watching films at home, cinema is having its most successful years ever, so clearly many people are enjoying the films Hollywood is putting out.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised in your measurement of success. Many tout record box office takings as clear success but I rather think that really reflects on inflation (both real and artificial). Look at admissions over time. I only have UK numbers to hand [1] but despite an increasing population, we're still at barely a tenth of our 1950 numbers. MPAA stats [2] seem to show the US in decline over the last few…

He he. Your argument is that cinema is dead because it's not as popular as it was in the 50's, before TV, video games, home cinemas, and the internet?

Even the fact that the numbers are comparable in 2019 says about cinema's staying power ;)

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by dmitriid »

philliphaydon wrote: post #92
dmitriid wrote: post #78

> But their shows were a boon for Netflix's nascent streaming service, which had a small library of old movies when it debuted in 2007. That’s exactly what Netflix is right now . There’s a dearth of new content besides Netflix’s own originals. Netflix routinely suggests titles from 10-15-20 years ago and rarely any newer titles (outside some of the bigger blockbusters like Star Wars).

I don't know what Netflix is like in America but all my content is nothing but new stuff... The only thing that's "old" that shows on my "popular on Netflix" (or what ever its called) section is Friends.

I’m watching from Sweden, so that may be the reason, but my suggestions are laughably bad: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1120410479954993153

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by oliwarner »

netwanderer3 wrote: post #74

Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

Despite my other reply in this sub-thread, no, I don't think recycling is the real problem. Access, price and availability of cheaper alternatives have all pushed cinema into decline.

I certainly don't disagree that they should embrace an open market and liberal distribution, but trying to draw performance outcomes from subjective qualities is silly.

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Post by romanovcode »

esoterica wrote: post #90
netwanderer3 wrote: post #74

Nobody has mentioned the real problem is that most Hollywood movies these days are recycled garbage. People are probably going to switch from Netflix over to Disney+ once it is launched. Once Netflix is gone, Disney+ would then jack up its price to $40/month. I think we have all seen this movie too many times before.

Are you implying that Disney movies (lol Star Wars 2929384) are less recycled than other studios' movies?

Also the garbage comic book BS they put up every 6 months.

Noooo not recycled garbage at all. /s

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by oliwarner »

oblio wrote: post #104
oliwarner wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised in your measurement of success. Many tout record box office takings as clear success but I rather think that really reflects on inflation (both real and artificial). Look at admissions over time. I only have UK numbers to hand [1] but despite an increasing population, we're still at barely a tenth of our 1950 numbers. MPAA stats [2] seem to show the US in decline over the last few…

He he. Your argument is that cinema is dead because it's not as popular as it was in the 50's, before TV, video games, home cinemas, and the internet? Even the fact that the numbers are comparable in 2019 says about cinema's staying power ;)

I'm not saying cinema's dead, rather that headlines of "RECORD BOX OFFICE RETURN" that drive the genre of comment I was replying to are bullshit.

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Post by raxxorrax »

mikepurvis wrote: post #21
josephg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with video games, having access to multiple online stores is free. Steam and the epic store work side by side just fine - unlike video there's no subscription fee to have access to both catalogues.

Well, and for those of us who had the GOG and/or Uplay launchers anyway, or already had our achievements fractured between PC and one or more console ecosystems, having to install the Epic Games one just wasn't that big a deal. Especially with the bait of free games, exclusives, and the crazy $10 off summer sale promotion. I got it for the Hades early access and to play Transistor and Rime for free.

Does it finally allow for offline execution of games? Epic just had some good deals for market dominance. Makes sense, since they now have the capital. There are some interesting exclusives, but I resisted in creating an account because I would regret it later.

There might be better deals for developers in there, but that will undoubtedly change if the goal of market dominance is reached. It is an overall really bad choice for consumers on nearly every level. I don't really see them as serious competition to steam and GOG.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by josteink »

40acres wrote: post #22

I don't think piracy will come back as streaming becomes more segregated, people generally will go with the legitimate market over illegal means as long as the fiction is under a certain level. Most Americans would rather pay an extra $15 a month for streaming that to pirate content and go through the "hassle" of getting that pirated content on their TV. How many non-tech people do you know who can mirror a PC or lap…

> I don't think piracy will come back as streaming becomes more segregated ... How many non-tech people do you know who can mirror a PC or laptop to their TV?

If they already have the streaming apps on their TV, installing the Kodi-app as well isn’t really very hard.

Especially with geo-ip restrictions still abundant, many places in the world plain old piracy is by far the easiest option.

Also: Why would you assume anyone use their PCs to hook up to the TV these days anyway? It’s not the 1990s anymore.

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