Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Cloud Is Down

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

601–610 of 630 posts

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#601

Post by pas »

mcherm wrote: post #600
lucb1e wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you seriously complaining about having to pay for using their resources? I understand that you're surprised some things aren't covered in the free trial or free credit or whatever, but getting $300 free already sounded a little too good to be true (I heard about it from a friend and was dubious; at least in Europe, consumers are told not to enter deals that are too good to be true), you could at least have checke…

> Are you seriously complaining about having to pay for using their resources? I didn't read it that way. I thought they were complaining about poor customer service that made it difficult to understand the bill or respond to it appropriately.

I read it that way too, but it's sort of understandable that a free tier user is not going to get the same "customer care" as someone who regularly leaves let's say 50K USD with them.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#602

Post by dillonmckay »

londons_explore wrote: post #577
w_s_l wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh man....so ALL of my gmail gets banned? this is FUCKED. its aking to holding my youtube and google play accounts hostage.

For any Google service with billing, always set up an entirely new account, in incognito mode, without using the same recovery phone number or email address. That way Google won't ban your main account for non-payment. It's the only way, especially considering Google cloud has no functionality to cap spending.

They will link the accounts by IP (and other fingerprinting), and you will get banned.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#603

Post by gdy »

pts_ wrote: post #596
hinkley wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep trying to explain to people that our customers don’t care that there is someone to blame they just want their shit to work. There are advantages to having autonomy when things break. There’s a fine line or at least some subtlety here though. This leads to some interesting conversations when people notice how hard I push back against NIH. You don’t have to be the author to understand and be able to fiddle with…

What does NIH stand for?

Not Invented Here

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#604

Post by Double_a_92 »

boulos wrote: post #63

Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud (but disclaimer, I'm on vacation and so not much use to you!). We're having what appears to be a serious networking outage. It's disrupting everything, including unfortunately the tooling we usually use to communicate across the company about outages. There are backup plans, of course, but I wanted to at least come here to say: you're not crazy, nothing is lost (to those concerns do…

> but there is serious packet loss at the least.

Can confirm with Gmail in Europe. Everything works but it's sluggish (i.e. no immediate reaction on button clicks).

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#605

Post by ozymandias12 »

StreamBright wrote: post #572
qes wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the downvoters, please just link here the proof if you disagree. > Here are the S3 numbers: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/ 99.9% https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/support/legal/sla/storage/... 99.99%

Azure is a cloud solution. The thread is about how a random datacenter with a random solution is better than S3.

Wow, he’s comparing the storages SLA of the two biggest cloud services in the world. Pedantic behavior should hurt.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#606

Post by Cthulhu_ »

gundmc wrote: post #425
londons_explore wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The discount seems way too small. I would pay a premium for a cloud provider happy to give 100 percent discount for the month for 10 minutes downtime, and 100 percent discount for the year for an hour's downtime.

Any cloud provider offering those terms would go out of business VERY quickly. Outages happen, all providers are incentivized to minimize the frequency and severity of disruptions - not just from the financial hit of breaching SLA (which for something like this will be significant), but for the reputational damage which can be even more impactful.

And all cloud providers will emphasize how you yourself should design your software and architect your infrastructure to be available in multiple regions to achieve the highest availability.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#607

Post by ozymandias12 »

dillonmckay wrote: post #602
londons_explore wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For any Google service with billing, always set up an entirely new account, in incognito mode, without using the same recovery phone number or email address. That way Google won't ban your main account for non-payment. It's the only way, especially considering Google cloud has no functionality to cap spending.

They will link the accounts by IP (and other fingerprinting), and you will get banned.

I’m so tired of this widespread tracking. You can’t even buy a burner phone anymore because there exists multiple fingerprinting methods.

Phone and desktop OSs should grow a pair and create a virtualization protocol to randomize tracking info to keep PII anonymous.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#608

Post by nisa »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #561
chucky_z wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US I use Hivelocity. If you want cheapest possible, Hetzner/OVH have deals you can get for _cheap._

I've a question that always stopped me going that route, what happens when a disk or other hardware fails on these servers? beyond data loss I mean, like physically what happens who carries out the repair how long does it takes

For Hetzner you have to monitor your disks and run RAID-1. As soon as you get the first SMART-Failures you can file a ticket and either replace ASAP or shedule a time. This happened to me a few times in the past years it always has been just 15-30m delay after filing the ticket and at most 5 minutes downtime. You have to get your Linux stuff right through i.e. booting with a new disk.

If you don't like that you can order a KVM-VM with dedicated cores at similiar prices and the problem is not yours anymore.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#609

Post by michaelt »

Johnny555 wrote: post #473
londons_explore wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The discount seems way too small. I would pay a premium for a cloud provider happy to give 100 percent discount for the month for 10 minutes downtime, and 100 percent discount for the year for an hour's downtime.

Just take the premium that you'd be willing to pay and put it in the bank -- the premium would be priced such that the expected payout of the premium would be less than or equal to what you'd be paying. Besides, a provider credit is the least of most company's concerns after an extended outage, it's a small fraction of their remediation costs and loss of customer goodwill.

  Just take the premium that
  you'd be willing to pay and
  put it in the bank
In my country, when companies are hired to do overnight rail maintenance, they face very stiff fines if they over-run and delay trains the next morning.

The fines are large enough that (for example) companies will have a heavy plant mechanic on site who does nothing on the vast majority of jobs - they're just standing by, to mitigate the risk of a breakdown leading to such a fine. Some business analyst with a spreadsheet has worked out the heavy plant breakdown rate, the typical resulting delays, the expected fines, and the cost of having the mechanic on standby... and they've worked out it's a good business decision.

The purpose of having an SLA isn't to get yourself money when your provider fails. The purpose is to make costly risk mitigation a rational investment for your suppliers.

Re: Google Cloud Is Down

#610

Post by sandra101 »

hello everyone , i dont need to talk much about , this you need to be careful with any hacker you give your work to , the trustworthy, most reliable hacker you need for repairing your credit score is Neo , you just need to mail him now and make your problem solve on neogonzalezhacks at gmail dot come or text him on 5139001324 , dont think about it , just mail him he will respond immediately , tell him from james Guinn , he help me with my credit score within 2 weeks , my credit score was very low and helped me repair it to 820, dont hesistate to mail him now , just mail him and rejoice .happy for you for doing that ..
Post reply on HN