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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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bem94 wrote: post #2

It's things like this that make me think all engineers need more training on the social consequences of the tools they build. This is an extreme case and I hope most engineers would look at this and understand how awful & damaging it could be; but given our influence on the world nowadays (as a class, if not always as individuals) we really need to be much more aware of what we're doing and how it affects people.

You do realize that morality and ethics can be drastically different from yours, and what you are proposing really amounts to "let's civilize those savages" ?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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GuB-42 wrote: post #39
jonnycomputer wrote: post #4

I'm not sure I understand the GDPR argument here. Is collecting the facial information from actors and actresses in porn movies illegal? Or was it the access of their social media accounts? Why is the tallying of what is publicly consumable a violation of GDPR?

In France, we have something called "droit à l'image". It means that if you can't appear on a picture without your authorization, with a few exceptions. If you give an authorization, it has to be for a specific purpose and not generalized. So just because you gave an authorization to appear in a movie doesn’t mean you gave an authorization for other purposes, such as face matching. Same thing for social media. There…

What if your image has been cached by a CDN outside of France, and then downloaded and matched by someone who never interfaced with a French IP? Who is at fault here?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by GuB-42 »

internet_user wrote: post #82
GuB-42 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France, we have something called "droit à l'image". It means that if you can't appear on a picture without your authorization, with a few exceptions. If you give an authorization, it has to be for a specific purpose and not generalized. So just because you gave an authorization to appear in a movie doesn’t mean you gave an authorization for other purposes, such as face matching. Same thing for social media. There…

What if your image has been cached by a CDN outside of France, and then downloaded and matched by someone who never interfaced with a French IP? Who is at fault here?

IANAL but I don't think CDNs an IPs matter here. The question would be more among the line of "in the picture taken in France" or "has the matching been done in France or by a company that has a presence in France".

And unless everything happens in France, it would be a huge mess and I don't think anything can be done. GDPR is an attempt to harmonize the rules of different countries and make them enforceable internationally.

I don't know how it is done in other European countries but rules regarding personal data and authorship tend to be stronger than in the US, and freedom of speech is more controlled (ex: hate speech, libel, ...).

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by listenallyall »

bem94 wrote: post #2

It's things like this that make me think all engineers need more training on the social consequences of the tools they build. This is an extreme case and I hope most engineers would look at this and understand how awful & damaging it could be; but given our influence on the world nowadays (as a class, if not always as individuals) we really need to be much more aware of what we're doing and how it affects people.

What if a convenience store had security video of a clerk being shot and killed. Nobody recognizes the suspect's face in the video, so they want to use this tool to bring the killer to justice. Is that legal? Is it GPDR-complant? Clearly, the killer is not consenting.

Another scenario: a neo-Nazi protest rally occurs, and counter-protesters use this tool to determine who the Nazis are, in order to publicly shame them. Is this OK? Again, the Nazis have not consented to the use of their images to shame or "out" them.

You could go on and on... a vigilant neighbor filming a "porch pirate" stealing packages... someone filming people leaving a gay bar, an abortion clinic, a "massage parlor". Someone constantly running red lights. Who decides what is shaming vs what is "protecting people"?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by dang »

otabdeveloper1 wrote: post #3
bem94 wrote: post #2

It's things like this that make me think all engineers need more training on the social consequences of the tools they build. This is an extreme case and I hope most engineers would look at this and understand how awful & damaging it could be; but given our influence on the world nowadays (as a class, if not always as individuals) we really need to be much more aware of what we're doing and how it affects people.

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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by karl_schlagenfu »

GuB-42 wrote: post #39
jonnycomputer wrote: post #4

I'm not sure I understand the GDPR argument here. Is collecting the facial information from actors and actresses in porn movies illegal? Or was it the access of their social media accounts? Why is the tallying of what is publicly consumable a violation of GDPR?

In France, we have something called "droit à l'image". It means that if you can't appear on a picture without your authorization, with a few exceptions. If you give an authorization, it has to be for a specific purpose and not generalized. So just because you gave an authorization to appear in a movie doesn’t mean you gave an authorization for other purposes, such as face matching. Same thing for social media. There…

How does this work when tourists are taking photographs? For example at the Eiffel Tower where it's almost impossible to take a photo without people being in the shot.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by brokenmachine »

sametmax wrote: post #58
rmdashrfstar wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something so many people do not seem to understand: if you ban something, you only prevent law abiding citizens from using it, it won't stop the law breakers who were going to use it regardless of what the law says. There are people who DDOS video game servers in the US as to not lose the game, even though it's a felony.

No. In france we rarely see criminals with guns. It happens. But it's not a common event.

Same in Australia.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by [deleted] »

orthoxerox wrote: post #15

Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by bitL »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #66
bitL wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is failing to tell someone something the same thing as deception? Yes, absolutely. Imagine you are the only person that doesn't know your fiance was in porn and you committed to her without knowing that. > Is this supposed right symmetric? Does bride-to-be have the right to know if the husband participated in porn video? Of course. Even though social stigma for males is lower, it has a devastating impact on their b…

You still haven't actually answered the question of what "right" there is supposed to be. If a person is afraid that their fiance might have done porn in the past, or if they care so damn much, they should just ask the person.

If people were honest to each other all the time, we wouldn't need laws. Let's be generous and assume your question is just naive - could you ever envision a situation where an innocent husband-to-be (e.g. a nice, do-no-harm person and with reasonable means) is taken advantage of by a clever woman (with what is perceivably considered shady past in the given era) for her own material benefit? Do you think this never happens (hint: belletry is full of such situations and I'd recommend you to investigate common causes of suicide)? Doesn't husband-to-be have a justified interest in protecting his life, reputation, possessions from the baggage the unvetted fiancee brings? Do you think the fiancee wouldn't lie as much as possible in order to protect her planned future?

If you truly are just naive, please think about the points I mentioned; if not, there is no point to discuss, as your mind is set in stone anyway.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by majkinetor »

jadell wrote: post #71
hurryskurry wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the right to privacy being violated though? Imagine you were a stripper or porn actress, your right to privacy wouldn't preclude someone recognizing you at the strip club or video. Or suppose you went to the strip club or watched a video and then also happened to be on Facebook and saw the profile of someone you saw stripping at a strip club or in the video, matching the face and name in your head. How is the…

What if we're not talking about strippers or porn actresses. What if we're talking about some random person who let a partner take photos/videos of them, in confidence and in private?

In my opinion, if you let your partner do that, you deserve it. If you do that, and later come surprised if such situation happens, you are literally an idiot, not knowing in what age you live in.

So, understand what your fetish means and how it can backfire. Any age will have its own problems like that.

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