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Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by jeanmichelx »

ashelmire wrote: post #28
CydeWeys wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this possibly enforceable though? The software is already out there and available. In countries that restrict guns, it's often quite hard to get one outside the legal channels (if there are any), so enforcement is pretty effective. But for something you can just download??

Not just download, but write yourself in a short time. And the code could be shared, and I’d guess you can build a decent system to do this in a few hundred lines. It’s a ridiculous proposition to restrict software access, akin to making it illegal to write on paper.

It's ridiculously easy to write a DoS tool. Let's make DoSing legal then.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by keiru »

nkurz wrote: post #34
gmuslera wrote: post #24

The bigger problem are not the right matches, but the wrong ones, specially if they are very similar. This should affect far more people than just ex-porn actresses.

While false-positives are definitely a problem, why do you think they are a bigger problem? Do you feel the participants in pornography are "fair game" but the others are innocent? In some ways, the current level of inaccuracy could be considered an advantage, because it makes it more likely that there will be resistance. A 100% accurate system strikes me as more dangerous, as it's less likely for politicians or lawm…

Despite agreeing with your latter points, there's a reason why shrapnel damage is comparably serious.

Although most people who did some porn are most likely not proffesionals, most porn (by volume) is done by people who might even consider your finding part of their CV. So going by sheer numbers alone, there might be so much more cases of false positives. Now, even if it becomes terribly obvious how inaccurate it is, I don't think that matters much when it comes to weaponising it, because people are easily fooled or don't care. As long as you kind find a vid of a girl that looks just like Clara from accounting, you can spread it as a false rumor. Or not even claim it's her; it's just as embarrassing. And that's even assuming you could tell them appart, because the seed of doubt extends the problem to people who didn't even do porn.

For comparison think of deepfakes. Everybody knows it's not actually Emma Watson, but I bet she isn't particularly happy about it.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by zamadatix »

kyberias wrote: post #23
zamadatix wrote: post #10

What are the GDPR repercussions for an open source project that does not make money, has no ties to an organization, holds only code, and handles no data?

If there is no data, obviously GDPR doesn't apply.

I'm more focusing on this section of the article where the legal source says 2 interesting things:

"just collecting the data is illegal if the women didn’t consent, according to Börge Seeger, a data protection expert and partner at German law firm Neuwerk. These laws apply to any information from EU residents, so they would have held even if the programmer weren’t living in the EU."

#1 the programmer is implicated (it's possible this is in the context of "the programmer" also being "user in Europe") #2 even if they weren't living in the EU

#2 is the particularly interesting one and also opens up the general question of "what happens if collects data but does not handle monetary transactions in Europe or deal with money abroad". GPDR is very much written around how to wrangle companies in financially, what if it's not a company?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by keiru »

orthoxerox wrote: post #15

Russian imageboards found VK profiles of quite a few porn actresses and prostitutes using findface.ru. Of course, they immediately started harrassing them and sending messages to everyone in their friends list. However, ethics aside, the cat is out of the bag. People can shame the guy into deleting the data, but computing power will only get cheaper and data matchers faster. Sooner or later some will do this again an…

I'm sure the same could be done with anything entropic enough to identify me, like my writing style (lexicon, commas, typos).

For a long time now I've assumed that everything I post online will eventually be cross-referenced back to me, if somebody cared enough.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by CydeWeys »

Youcandothis wrote: post #36
CydeWeys wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this possibly enforceable though? The software is already out there and available. In countries that restrict guns, it's often quite hard to get one outside the legal channels (if there are any), so enforcement is pretty effective. But for something you can just download??

Laws are often difficult to enforce, but that is not a reason to not have the laws.

The point of a law isn't the law in its own right, it's to solve a problem. And an unenforceable law isn't actually solving anything.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by hurryskurry »

If the videos are published, and the social media profiles public, how can it be illegal to match the two? Supposedly if they show their face they already accept the danger of being recognized, unless the video was published illegally.

That said, why would someone, once someone was identified, just go about harassing them and telling all their friends they do porn? Like who does that?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by sametmax »

rmdashrfstar wrote: post #31
orthoxerox wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are already a criminal, you aren't worried about the lack of a permit that much. Especially when you are a cybercriminal separated from your server by multiple cryptocurrency tumblers. Forward intelligence teams already record the faces of people taking part in peaceful and legal protests. You can bet your ass they cross-ref the feed with their Linkedin and Facebook data dumps. The same tech is now becoming av…

This is something so many people do not seem to understand: if you ban something, you only prevent law abiding citizens from using it, it won't stop the law breakers who were going to use it regardless of what the law says. There are people who DDOS video game servers in the US as to not lose the game, even though it's a felony.

No. In france we rarely see criminals with guns. It happens. But it's not a common event.

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by hurryskurry »

Youcandothis wrote: post #45
kabwj wrote: post #30

Why should pornography actors not have responsibilities for what they do? I don’t agree with this part where people who 1) put their faces in pornography and 2) put their faces in social media should not expect the two things to be correlated. Especially since the technology has already existed for some time and it cannot be stopped. Are we looking for regulation here? Is that exactly what we want, going back to cryp…

> Why should pornography actors not have responsibilities for what they do? They should have a right for privacy.

How is the right to privacy being violated though?

Imagine you were a stripper or porn actress, your right to privacy wouldn't preclude someone recognizing you at the strip club or video.

Or suppose you went to the strip club or watched a video and then also happened to be on Facebook and saw the profile of someone you saw stripping at a strip club or in the video, matching the face and name in your head.

How is the slow case different fundamentally from the case where programming is used and throughput and speed is much higher and faster?

I mean would it be illegal for someone to just start going through Facebook profiles by hand trying to find an actress they just saw?

Re: The guy who made a tool to track women in porn videos is sorry

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Post by DanBC »

majkinetor wrote: post #12

Not sure how this relates to GDPR - the arguments are nonsensical. People tend to bump everything under GDPR now like its some form of gods commandment. If I simply sit in the cafe watching someone continuously near me, I am collecting data, and nobody can do anything about it. When you leave your home, your privacy is gone. When you make anything public your privacy is gone. Not sure anything is ethically wrong with…

> When you leave your home, your privacy is gone

This is not true in Europe.

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