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Post by samudrin »

nabla9 wrote: post #92
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wall our president wants to build has nothing to do with current immigration trends. They’re banking on this future. Steve Bannon has this book he’s always talking about, The Camp of the Saints. It’s the clearest and most concise guide for how they see the climate future rolling out. (This is also why I bristle when they get called climate change deniers. They’re not, they just reached different conclusions.) htt…

The Camp of the Saints has nothing to do with climate change It's story about brown and black skinned others destroying western civilization with immigration. The motive is racist. The tone of the book is very passionate and overly emotional. Here is short preface Jean Raspail wrote to his book: > I HAD WANTED TO WRITE a lengthy preface to explain my position and show that this is no wild-eyed dream; that even if the…

Amazing someone could use so many words and say so little. I guess they need to cloak their racism.

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Post by ss248 »

jjuhl wrote: post #104
akashakya wrote: post #95

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By that logic anything which kills mass population is "not so bad". Why not just bomb cities. Infact if you read it as a response to "world wars", though not intended, that way of thinking justify that.

It depends on your view of the world I guess. In my view, humans are not special. We have no inherent right to live on this planet compared to other animals. Why should we not die off and let other creatures live? Only selfishness (and our cognitive ability to have it), enables; I want to live. Humans are not special (except for currently being at the top of the food-chain). We have reached our biological population…

Humans are actually special. We are smarter than any other animal on earth and have culture. Human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe, so even on that scale we are pretty special.

And it simply makes no sense to just throw away millions of years of evolution. Your nihilistic worldview is very naive.

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Post by inflatableDodo »

jjuhl wrote: post #113
inflatableDodo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said it did. However for my views on people using the term 'race card' please see my replies to tinus_hn. Now this isn't personal to you specifically, however in regard to your query, Me first what? , I have long thought that people who advocate the benefits of depopulation by mass die-off, should generally lead by example.

I probably will - given age and living habits. But that aside; are you saying that we should try and sustain inbounded population growth on this tiny globe of ours? And if so, why/how?

From a purely practical standpoint, I don't think a die-off will help very much. Say we had a 85% die off, we would be back to around the population level of 1800, the time that Malthus published his prophecy. And along the way we would have had the most collossal wars imaginable and would be ekeing out a living on a much reduced habitable area.

Basically, although it is an unpopular vision these days, I suspect that for the amount of effort involved in having a mass die-off, we could stabilise the population somewhat and start building floating cities and space habitats. People regard this kind of thing as unrealistic, but I think it will rapidly become realistic should we even halt population growth temporarily through environmental disaster and it would be preferable to start doing it before that signal to action.

To sit on our hands and hope for our own actions to kill us off in order to save some remainder is the most fatalistic and least imaginative approach going. We might as well be deer.

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Post by jobigoud »

Isinlor wrote: post #19

These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

> fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan;

This is scary, what's a good way to survive for someone that doesn't have access to a bunker or AC? Immersing oneself in water in a bathtub?

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by wrong_variable »

jobigoud wrote: post #124
Isinlor wrote: post #19

These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

> fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan; This is scary, what's a good way to survive for someone that doesn't have access to a bunker or AC? Immersing oneself in water in a bathtub?

Yes, the global poor living in high humid areas have always done that. So have Elephants and Hippos.

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Post by jessriedel »

inapis wrote: post #57
jessriedel wrote: post #38

The 50 C number was observed in a desert. Death Valley, California, also a desert, spend 5 consecutive days above 54 C in 1913, the year it set the temperature record of 56.7 C.

Nopes. Churu is a population center. It's a district headquarter. And population centers are not faraway from 50C at 46-47C being pretty frequent.

Yes, you're right. Edited.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by jjuhl »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #123
jjuhl wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably will - given age and living habits. But that aside; are you saying that we should try and sustain inbounded population growth on this tiny globe of ours? And if so, why/how?

From a purely practical standpoint, I don't think a die-off will help very much. Say we had a 85% die off, we would be back to around the population level of 1800, the time that Malthus published his prophecy. And along the way we would have had the most collossal wars imaginable and would be ekeing out a living on a much reduced habitable area. Basically, although it is an unpopular vision these days, I suspect that…

"We might as well be deer" - and what tells you that in the grand, global, universe-scale sense, we are not?

In my eyes, we very much are.

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Post by empath75 »

kabwj wrote: post #73
inflatableDodo wrote: post #56

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Been telling people for a while, if we think the amount of refugees from our wars is bad, just wait till you see the number arriving due to the fuel we burn. Though given our reaction to the current wave of refugees, we will blame the refugees for their own predicament and probably George Soros, as is tradition, long before we accept any blame ourselves.

Or we will simply not accept the refugees. As you said at current numbers it’s been really bad. At much higher numbers it will simply be a better and more popular option to close the border.

Eventually policies like that will lead to mass deaths.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by inflatableDodo »

hedora wrote: post #96
kabwj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or we will simply not accept the refugees. As you said at current numbers it’s been really bad. At much higher numbers it will simply be a better and more popular option to close the border.

What happens when the coasts stop accepting refugees from the red states? This will certainly happen in a scenario where there are massive refugee populations elsewhere in the world.

Oh joy. Grapes of Wrath 2, heavy weapons edition.

Re: India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

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Post by ajross »

jobigoud wrote: post #124
Isinlor wrote: post #19

These temperatures in high humidity can be deadly even to healthy and fit humans as our bodies are left without a way to cool down. Currently, they have humidity around 10-20% so it affects the most vulnerable, but global warming may lead to making parts of the world literally deadly to every human being... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a…

> fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan; This is scary, what's a good way to survive for someone that doesn't have access to a bunker or AC? Immersing oneself in water in a bathtub?

A tub will work, sure, as long as it's pulled from a large body of water that hasn't warmed up with the air. Hopping in the local lake is an obvious choice.

But in a detached demographic sense: effectively everyone lives in a city in the modern world, and while their housing might not be air conditioned most of the major buildings are. In an emergency like this everyone would just crowd into office buildings and shopping malls.

That's not to say this wouldn't be horrifying, but it's not the kind of existential social crisis people tend to imagine. Cooling ourselves down in a heat wave, in the modern world, is a solved problem at least as far as keeping ourselves alive goes.

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