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Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Man, the backlash against Google is extreme. It's much faster than the backlash against Microsoft back in the day - at least, that's my feeling. Note I'm not saying it's not well deserved!

I'm worried that this is just "the outrage of the week" and then nothing will change. People are very quick to voice their discontent online these days but they're also very quick to forgive or merely forget. I might be a pessimist but I doubt that this is going to significantly change anything.

Now when this change lands if it really turns out that adblocking doesn't work well on Chrome, then things could move.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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The article recommends Brave and Pi-Hole, as well.

For folks looking for simplest anti ads and tracking browser (for friends and family, for instance) should consider Firefox Focus [0] instead of Brave. It is light and works like a breeze on lowest of configurations.

And folks using Android not bothered enough to setup Pi-Hole should consider using Intra with nextdns or adguard-dns [1].

I've installed Intra for friends and family on their phones, on their AndroidTVs... It takes a quick one minute setup and another minute to show them how to use it. Esp, nextdns' analytics dashboard is a real eye-opener for them. When they actually see the results, they start taking notice and are bothered enough to figure out how to blacklist additional domains.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15049171

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20051049

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Great to see mainstream media picking this up and giving Firefox some exposure. With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable (cross platform) alternative. FF gaining back a solid amount of market share is critical for the browser ecosystem in the future. (Personally I switched back to FF after the first Quantum release, which brought performance back on par with Chrome. On mobile, the ad block…

> With Microsoft switching to Chromium, Firefox is now the only viable

I'm not sure I understand your point. Is there a public statement from Microsoft that they are following Google on this? I don't know what Microsoft is going to do, but nothing stops them from keeping the API fully working. And if Firefox was based on Chromium too, nothing would stop Mozilla from keeping the API working either. Although I expect some forks to follow Google on this, namely other ad-tech companies with web browsers, like Yandex.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20056864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20052623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20038872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20050173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20037562

Not only dupe, Forbes also has the most click baity title amongst them all. Forbes is like buzzfeed now

Blame the Forbes Tech Council.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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I hope to see Firefox eventually providing an embeddable framework, considering that Chromium isn't just monopolising the web browser space... it's spreading into desktop applications through Electron. Left unchecked, Google will manage to poke its fingers into every pie within reach. It seems like the ideal solution of using the OS's native web toolkit hasn't been successful so far. So the next best offering (aside…

I regret XUL was abandoned - it was a great idea, but much ahead of its time.

Abandoned by Mozilla, not by Pale Moon/Basilisk though.

http://thereisonlyxul.org/

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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Safari is the fastest browser I've ever used on mobile. It also supports ad blocking. Calling it "terrible" simply does not resonate with me. Chrome is slower and Firefox on mobile is a joke.

Ok that's fair. From a developer's PoV, Safari is a terrible browser. It's old and buggy and stifles innovation on iOS in the same way ie did on windows.

As a web developer, I find this to be anything be true. Safari supports loads of cool features that clients ask for, like native css carousels (css snap points), and blur effects (backdrop-filter). Chrome, does not.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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All of this "debate" is pretty absurd.

Yes the webrequest v3 proposal seems problematic for scripts /malware / crypto / ad / etc blockers. This is consensual.

Chromium is open source and has those two main actors: opera and Microsoft.

Almost everybody seems to consider chromium in the debate as a proprietary software owned by Google. And thus argue to switch to Firefox. Let's be clear, when you look at the technical, chromium is a far superior browser. Chromium has far more active devs, far more features (look at caniuse.com) and has almost systematically better performance. And it has many others kinds of advantages. All of the stated advantages are sufficent to consider chromium as the best browser.

So instead of arguing that opera or Microsoft or simply open source community will simply stay in sync with chromium master but keep the patchs for keeping the current webrequest api. You want people to choose a poorer, less featureful browser which has real consequences on what web devs can offer as user experiences. This is forgive me, dumb.

What everybody should ask for is to mozilla to get rational and to migrate Firefox to chromium while backportikng the best parts of gecko to chromium 1) and to ensure the respect of privacy in the chromium source code 2) This would lead us to a web that evolve far more quickly, to the fastest browser and to an implementation which satisfy every interests (the ones of Googles and the one of Microsoft/mozilla) If Google and mozilla disagreed on something, mozilla should maintain a set of patchs for applying their custom changes (a micro fork)

That's simple but there's still a long way for the medias and the people to understand that. I would have hoped that hackernews community, wanting to be like the pre-eternal September would debate with intellectual riguour in the common goal of seeking true, sound progress.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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I really want to use Firefox because of Quantum and other Rust goodness, but until they catch up on usability I'm happy to stay with Brave. Tab-to-search is sorely missing in Firefox, and the tab creation and switching experience on Android is awful.

Re: Google Just Gave 2B Chrome Users a Reason to Switch to Firefox

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What don’t you like about Firefox? Speaking as a FF user I have a hard time using Chrome too. In other words you get used to what you use and FF is a decent option.

Not the original commenter, but Firefox has noticeably poorer performance on my MacBook pro 2018, especially on react-heavy sites like the AWS Console or Twitch.tv

To me Chrome has poorer performance, especially when switching between tabs. I've seen Chrome take minutes to "load" a tab.
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