Related - meat & cancer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20029519
(Ctrl+F "cancer" in that thread for amusement)
Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, that's basically true, isn't it? Oxygen is extremely reactive and was poisonous to early life: https://slate.com/technology/2014/07/the-great-oxygenation-e...
It still is. If you live at sea level, your chances of getting lung cancer are much higher that of you live at higher elevations.
Interesting; could that be caused by most cities being near sea level and most people living near cities, and thus pollution rather than oxygen might be the root cause?
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#54At this point I almost expect an article titled "All oxygen-breathing organisms are a fatally flawed design and are doomed to never live healthy no matter what". :(
https://lowres.cartooncollections.com/doctors-medical-parano... The SENS people say, if you live long enough, you will eventually have cancer.
Is there a SENS newsletter like hacker news?
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#55Wow, that was quite a read. What does seem to stand out is the danger of negative results not being published. 99 studies look at an ingredient, find nothing, don't publish. Through pure chance, the hundredth study finds a correlation, and everyone is immediately convinced that yet another ingredient is unhealthy.
This is the big way for p-value science to fail, even if every actor is honest. It's obvious once you understand what a p-value is (it literally takes 5 seconds to understand) but nearly nobody does. Even people I've worked with at a FAANG, which you'd expect have an above average understanding of mathematics. https://xkcd.com/882/ P values don't work at all if there's a lot of people working in a field!
For some it might take more than 5 seconds though https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/not-even-scientists-can...
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#56I think we as humans are just associated with cancer. Regardless of what we eat. My soul mate exercised, ate well and natural but still got breast cancer. Because it was in her family. Cancer hits so many people that it seems like it's just a natural way of population control to me. Or perhaps a side effect from being multi-celled creatures in a universe with background radiation.
Sorry to hear about your partner :-(
The first part of the last paragraph makes sense. Multi-cellular -> more cells dividing -> more chances of mutations -> more chances of cancer.
The second half of your last para implies that cosmic radiation / something similar causes cancer. I’m genuinely curious : is there some link between cosmic microwave radiation and cancer ? Any sources ?
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It still is. If you live at sea level, your chances of getting lung cancer are much higher that of you live at higher elevations.
Interesting; could that be caused by most cities being near sea level and most people living near cities, and thus pollution rather than oxygen might be the root cause?
I don't have a link to the study, but the researchers of the study I read were very meticulous and did discard all other obvious explanations before concluding that altitude was the best explanation.
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#58I think we as humans are just associated with cancer. Regardless of what we eat. My soul mate exercised, ate well and natural but still got breast cancer. Because it was in her family. Cancer hits so many people that it seems like it's just a natural way of population control to me. Or perhaps a side effect from being multi-celled creatures in a universe with background radiation.
Sorry to hear about your partner :-( The first part of the last paragraph makes sense. Multi-cellular -> more cells dividing -> more chances of mutations -> more chances of cancer. The second half of your last para implies that cosmic radiation / something similar causes cancer. I’m genuinely curious : is there some link between cosmic microwave radiation and cancer ? Any sources ?
There's no known link between cosmic microwave background and cancer. Would do for one hell of a difficult thing to study, too.
There's perfectly ample evidence for cosmic rays (ie. high energy radiation from astronomical sources) increasing risk of cancer as does any ionizing radiation. Maybe GP conflated the two?
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#59Nope. Just eating dead animals is. Stop doing that.
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#60You can basically dump all mouse studies, since the standard kibble was something high sugary/starchy. Add fat -> cancer; add more sugar -> cancer...; add more protein -> cancer Epidemiological stuff is flawed as well. Unless the people are kept in a closed ward and every meal is kept under close observation, it's probably not "clean" data. There is hope though... annecdotal evidence seems to point towards unprocesse…
I'm surprised to see your comment in good health. Everytime I link to Georgia Ede or meatheals I get downvoted to oblivion lol, just as this comment too will (as if there is a vegan bot on HN targeting my comments?).
don't go down the path of conspiracy theory xD that's unhealthy, but I don't care much about upvotes here