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Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by NelsonMinar » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:22 PM UTC

YUMad wrote: post #63

The guy ran and seeked asylum because he feared he will 'be made an example of' by USA. He sat in that tiny room for 6 years while US actors were working hard to smear him as a rapist and Russian puppet, while insinuating that everyone who claims USA is targeting Assange, or that there are indictments just waiting for his arrest is a conspiracy theorist. The moment he was removed from the embassy protection (again, a…

The Russian puppet claims only started after Wikileaks started acting like a Russian puppet.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by DanBC » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

YUMad wrote: post #68

cc81 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the rape charges were made from nothing?

1) 'Rape' as in he didn't go and test himself for STDs when the woman he had sex with demanded it afterward. 2) Do you think no woman ever made up accusations about being raped? Every black man lynched for 'raping a white woman' really did rape them?

The activity he is accused of meets the Swedish and English definitions of rape. This has been tested in the English court. https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by anbop » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:30 PM UTC

satokema_work wrote: post #43

pjc50 wrote: post #20

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This guy? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/texas-indicts-co... It's absolutely routine for basically anyone accused of sexual assault to find a whole bunch of men reporting that they seemed to be a standup guy. That doesn't mean they remain a standup guy when left alone around women.

Why can't they just be a standup guy that has issues dealing with women in specific circumstances? Why are they defined by that specific case and not their holistic behavior?

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Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by danharaj » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

satokema_work wrote: post #43

pjc50 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/texas-indicts-co... It's absolutely routine for basically anyone accused of sexual assault to find a whole bunch of men reporting that they seemed to be a standup guy. That doesn't mean they remain a standup guy when left alone around women.

Why can't they just be a standup guy that has issues dealing with women in specific circumstances? Why are they defined by that specific case and not their holistic behavior?

Judging someone for their holistic behavior doesn't mean ignoring their sexual assault. What are you even asking?

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by bainsfather » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

dmayle wrote: post #69

bainsfather wrote: post #62

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A fuller background: Jonathan Cook was a journalist for the Guardian newspaper. I have read his articles for many years now. Most of them (mainly on Palestine) are interesting and (so far as I can tell) accurate. I would say that he is a respectable journalist, and probably a darn sight better than most of those in the mainstream media today. Doesn't mean I always agree with him, or his (usually rather left-wing) pol…

Yes, and he appears to harbor a grudge against the Guardian, which you can see by the number of inflammatory articles tagged Guardian on his blog. While it's quite possible that among all news sources, Jonathan Cook seems to have worked for the one horrific news source in the world, and is doing us a service by constantly exposing their acts, Occam's razor would suggest otherwise. I've read a sampling of his articles…

"While it's quite possible that among all news sources, Jonathan Cook seems to have worked for the one horrific news source in the world, and is doing us a service by constantly exposing their acts, Occam's razor would suggest otherwise."

That is rather unfair. He's not likely to write about his experiences at e.g. the Mail, because (so far as I know) he never worked there.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by cheeseomlit » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

NelsonMinar wrote: post #71

YUMad wrote: post #63

The guy ran and seeked asylum because he feared he will 'be made an example of' by USA. He sat in that tiny room for 6 years while US actors were working hard to smear him as a rapist and Russian puppet, while insinuating that everyone who claims USA is targeting Assange, or that there are indictments just waiting for his arrest is a conspiracy theorist. The moment he was removed from the embassy protection (again, a…

The Russian puppet claims only started after Wikileaks started acting like a Russian puppet.

How's that? Leaking info about corruption in a political party doesn't make them Russian puppets just because you happen to be a member of that party.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by kombucha11 » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

The biggest issue here imo is he encouraged his sources to get more information for him in way that could be considered to have a alleviated him of the protections a journalist would normally receive. I used to be a fan of Assange but hes lost his way entirely. That being said the US government ought not to be prosecuting actual whistleblowers.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by JudgeWapner » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #22

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #7

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He's compiling a list of existing information that, as per his assertion, every media outlet seems to ignore which therefore serves to misinform the readership. The author isn't attempting to add anything new, he's merely trying to reincorporate the facts back into a narrative that has strayed from the appropriate journalistic path. The facts presented plainly is the contribution.

Here's an exercise: try to find an actual fact in that blog post and then look to see whether it was in fact not covered in the stories about Assange. For example, “he wasn't fleeing rape charges” is true only to the extent that journalists said “charges” without explaining that it was an arrest warrant which could lead to those charges — that was heavily covered at the time and for the subsequent years in which it e…

The fact that he illustrated is: how the media keeps ignoring salient points about the case. They consistently get it wrong. That consistency is not a mistake, it's by design.

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by wbhart » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

NelsonMinar wrote: post #71

YUMad wrote: post #63

The guy ran and seeked asylum because he feared he will 'be made an example of' by USA. He sat in that tiny room for 6 years while US actors were working hard to smear him as a rapist and Russian puppet, while insinuating that everyone who claims USA is targeting Assange, or that there are indictments just waiting for his arrest is a conspiracy theorist. The moment he was removed from the embassy protection (again, a…

The Russian puppet claims only started after Wikileaks started acting like a Russian puppet.

Is there verifiable intelligence to support this? I recall the Roger Stone story which didn't look like it had much depth to me. And I know Assange had a show on RT for a while. But has any evidence surfaced of an actual conspiracy involving Wikileaks and the Russians?

I did notice a big uptick in what I thought was right wing, pro-Trump statements on their twitter feed, and especially on Assange's twitter feed, shortly after Trump was elected. However, I assumed that was part of some strategy to win favour with Trump (perhaps hoping that Wikileaks would become popular with the new administration since Trump had been so pro-Wikileaks during his campaign speeches).

Re: Abuses show Assange case was never about law

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Post by nutjob2 » Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:43 PM UTC

cheeseomlit wrote: post #76

NelsonMinar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russian puppet claims only started after Wikileaks started acting like a Russian puppet.

How's that? Leaking info about corruption in a political party doesn't make them Russian puppets just because you happen to be a member of that party.

Doing the Russians' bidding by enabling their interference in the US presidential election and openly stating his preference as to the result destroyed any possible credibility as a "journalist" and made him look very much like a Russian puppet.

He dug his own grave.