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Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

The agencies don't care about degrees as much as they care for raw talent. Many years ago I was in vacation and was just talking about video games with some random dude, then pirating, how to reverse engineer and crack em and from there into buffer overflows and exploit. After our conversation, he told me works for the NSA and asked if I'll like to work for them. I asked about pay, and it was more than double what I…

That happened

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

#122

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If you qualify for a security clearance then you will qualify for jobs which require a security clearance. This means that you are basically recession proof. You will be competing (if that's an applicable word) against a smaller pool of applicants in a market (if that's an applicable word) which is protected by the full faith and credit of the US government. https://www.clearancejobs.com/

In the future I could see some senior job at FANGS requiring clearance - BT required DV for some team leader roles 20 Years ago

That's already happening.

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

#123

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If you qualify for a security clearance then you will qualify for jobs which require a security clearance. This means that you are basically recession proof. You will be competing (if that's an applicable word) against a smaller pool of applicants in a market (if that's an applicable word) which is protected by the full faith and credit of the US government. https://www.clearancejobs.com/

In the future I could see some senior job at FANGS requiring clearance - BT required DV for some team leader roles 20 Years ago

That’s true for Amazon due to this: https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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Unless your an actual spy you could probably say you work at the NSA as an SE, linguist or something more mundane. I doubt you could talk about your actual work. I’ve known people with clearances at Govt contractors. They could say what they do, EE/ME for X project but not many details beside that.

When you work at the NSA, you are not allowed to say that you work for the NSA. Full stop. (Contractors are a different story for some complex reasons, but are still at risk) It's like this for many gov agencies working with intelligence because labeling yourself as an intelligence worker makes you a target for foreign intelligence agents. That may sound a little strange if you aren't part of that industry, but it is…

Where do you say you work? I’ve met a few linguist who said they work for the FBI or whoever but they were contractors on an as needed basis.

What do the folks in Virginia say to their neighbors? “Oh I work for the DOD. So your a spy right haha?”

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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Unless your an actual spy you could probably say you work at the NSA as an SE, linguist or something more mundane. I doubt you could talk about your actual work. I’ve known people with clearances at Govt contractors. They could say what they do, EE/ME for X project but not many details beside that.

When you work at the NSA, you are not allowed to say that you work for the NSA. Full stop. (Contractors are a different story for some complex reasons, but are still at risk) It's like this for many gov agencies working with intelligence because labeling yourself as an intelligence worker makes you a target for foreign intelligence agents. That may sound a little strange if you aren't part of that industry, but it is…

> When you work at the NSA, you are not allowed to say that you work for the NSA. Full stop.

I don't think this is as absolute as you make it sound. Plenty of NSA employees have published papers using their real names in conjunction with nsa.gov or ncsc.mil email addresses

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>> unlike the other millennials who are too afraid A serious consideration for recruiters working for these agencies is that millennial truly fear the interview process. They believe that the NSA/CIA has their entire browsing history on file, that the interview process may see them confronted by some awful website they visited late one night in their teens. Or they fear any examination of their past may be shared wit…

> some awful website they visited late one night in their teens Are you thinking about websites like 8chan?

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Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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The US government created Tor for intelligence purposes. So it being embraced by the US intelligence community is unsurprising.

The US Navy created the concept of onion routing . Tor was not developed by the US government, it was developed in public (by Roger Dingledine and the rest of the Tor community).

No, the NRL developed Tor.

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

#129

I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

This sounds sill, but I have a really serious question -- how accurate are the Bourne type films w/r/t how things are at these three lettered agencies? If you are to believe even half the movies, it seems the workers are burned left and right as regular consequences of seniors' political battles. Is that how it is? I know this sounds silly, but i've been at big companies before (Fortune 10) and have seen some pretty…

Not that I ever saw, not really. What's far more likely to happen is that if you screw up too hard (or potentially piss off the wrong person) you can fairly easily get your clearance burnt, and that can easily (and permanently) cut your IC career off at the knees.

How devastating that is depends entirely on your level of investment in your career in intelligence.

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I met with an NSA recruiter who was scoping out talent at a local hackerspace. It was one of the most awkward and out-of-touch experiences I ever had. He began trash talking Edward Snowden within 60 seconds, and complained that anyone under 25 (pretty much the sole demographic present at the event) were averse to paperwork and would never make it in the "real world". He also uncannily romanticized doing paperwork and…

>> I met with an NSA recruiter Ask them for the NSA Sudoku books. They also publish crosswords. These are the only NSA documents Wikileaks wouldn't touch.

AIVD (Dutch NSA/GCHQ equiv.) -inspired by GCHQ, who also might have this- have a Christmas puzzle. Its a bunch of 30+ puzzles which are challenging to solve.
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