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I think there’s an aspect of your question that deserves sincere engagement, but I also think there is a very overblown idea of “the best in their field” and a misconception that if you were “good enough” to get hired into top private sector jobs, it somehow means you are better than peers. For one thing, people grow & change. Out of some hypothetical cohort of peers in year X, some few may have been the “best” in sc…

> I feel they have talented people who are massively underpaid. They pay enough to get the talent they need * . Or in other words, if they're sufficiently staffed it's because people are willing to work there for less than market rate. Patriotism, a chance (in some roles) to work on cutting edge tech / scale, and making a difference in the world attract people. You can feel however you want about the agencies morally…

> You can feel however you want about the agencies morally and ethically, but their work is unique.

Working for the NSA doesn't necessarily entail working on mass civilian surveillance, which I think is where the moral and ethical concerns are concentrated. They still do military and diplomatic intelligence, and defensive security for US many government systems, which I think only the most pacifist would have a problem with.

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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

Yep. GCHQ was recruiting on our CS course and the starting pay they offered was within £30-35k range. Working for literally any IT company in the region would pay more. (obviously there are perks working for the government that the private industry cannot match, so for some people lower pay is acceptable)

Only a career average DB pension now though :-(

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post #5

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If you're well credentialed, tech-smart, greedy, and morally bankrupt, it's probably more lucrative to work for Google than the NSA.

Yep. GCHQ was recruiting on our CS course and the starting pay they offered was within £30-35k range. Working for literally any IT company in the region would pay more. (obviously there are perks working for the government that the private industry cannot match, so for some people lower pay is acceptable)

I think the problem is that the civil service / defence industry think that technical "boffins" are some sort of cheery working class NCO who will work for tuppence ha'penny. the type who be played in the films by Normal Wisdom or George Formby

"mr Oldfield, that Kims a wrong un - I saw him taking money from the from the orphans fund"

M " I know lad I know"

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#104
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Not only that, but the senior technical role they hire for, Lead Software Engineer, maxes out at £56,984. I know a handful of people who've gone from GCHQ to my company, and they seem satisfied with forgoing the government pension in exchange for tripling their salary.

where in the uk can i make 170k as a software engineer? or even 110k?

The City as a contractor

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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These would be great mental exercises for me to complete while I fill out paperwork, unlike the other millennials who are too afraid to step up to the plate (printer?).

>> unlike the other millennials who are too afraid A serious consideration for recruiters working for these agencies is that millennial truly fear the interview process. They believe that the NSA/CIA has their entire browsing history on file, that the interview process may see them confronted by some awful website they visited late one night in their teens. Or they fear any examination of their past may be shared wit…

> some awful website they visited late one night in their teens

Are you thinking about websites like 8chan?

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

I met with an NSA recruiter who was scoping out talent at a local hackerspace. It was one of the most awkward and out-of-touch experiences I ever had. He began trash talking Edward Snowden within 60 seconds, and complained that anyone under 25 (pretty much the sole demographic present at the event) were averse to paperwork and would never make it in the "real world". He also uncannily romanticized doing paperwork and…

That sounds like a normal Tuesday evening free-energy nut dropping in :)

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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I have a question for the HN audience. Many here have gone to top schools and studied crypto, ML, etc with the best. And are probably the best in their field. Do you currently work for any three letter agencies? Did your smartest colleagues go to work at three letter agencies? I am trying to gauge the quality of talent at CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. All of my best colleagues went to the private sector, usually tech or securi…

If you qualify for a security clearance then you will qualify for jobs which require a security clearance. This means that you are basically recession proof. You will be competing (if that's an applicable word) against a smaller pool of applicants in a market (if that's an applicable word) which is protected by the full faith and credit of the US government. https://www.clearancejobs.com/

In the future I could see some senior job at FANGS requiring clearance - BT required DV for some team leader roles 20 Years ago

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#108
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Do you realise that almost nobody working in this kind of job can disclose that?

Unless your an actual spy you could probably say you work at the NSA as an SE, linguist or something more mundane. I doubt you could talk about your actual work. I’ve known people with clearances at Govt contractors. They could say what they do, EE/ME for X project but not many details beside that.

When you work at the NSA, you are not allowed to say that you work for the NSA. Full stop. (Contractors are a different story for some complex reasons, but are still at risk)

It's like this for many gov agencies working with intelligence because labeling yourself as an intelligence worker makes you a target for foreign intelligence agents.

That may sound a little strange if you aren't part of that industry, but it is the truth.

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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> ciadotgov4sjwlzihbbgxnqg3xiyrg7so2r2o3lt5wz5ypk4sxyjstad.onion How does one store links like this? You'd need a bookmark file, which would sort of give the game away, I'd have thought. How do you make sure you notice when you visit a URL with the same readable prefix?

We used an online survey to study this, and some other questions: https://nymity.ch/onion-services/

Figure 10 shows that most users (52%) use bookmarks, followed by locally-saved text files (37%), and referral to trusted web pages (35%).

Also, lots of people find themselves unable to determine an onion service's legitimacy (Figure 12), which is why phishing attacks are successful. We document one such attack in Section 5.1 of another research paper: https://nymity.ch/sybilhunting/pdf/sybilhunting-sec16.pdf

Re: CIA’s Latest Layer: An Onion Site

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Do you realise that almost nobody working in this kind of job can disclose that?

The NSA has a number of open-source projects maintained by employees who are active on GitHub.

Seem to be contractors to me?
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