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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by roca »

pedrocx486 wrote: post #313
roca wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the part where these Google decisions affect all Chromium browsers?

Unless they backfill it... I can see Microsoft going all out with Edge Chromium and Brave also trying their best. Both have manpower to try overcome Google's decisions on Chromium with their forks.

Sure, but carrying patches against Chromium trunk is an ongoing cost. It's especially problematic if it means there are diverging extension APIs.

If this is the last decision Google ever makes that their downstreams disagree with, then sure it's probably manageable.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by oefrha »

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I did say I have performance problems (in addition to other rendering/UX problems) in this thread and I did say I've been forcing Firefox upon myself just this past week, in addition to numerous attempts in the past.

That "you've yet to have problems" means I'm "very disingenuous" for pointing out that I did is simply ridiculous. This is borderline ad hominem and I call guidelines violation.

That a sibling implying that we're somehow paid by Google to clean up their PR mess is plain insulting.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by petre »

amelius wrote: post #289
ljm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

> “Only works in Chrome,” is poor engineering for anything more than a prototype or proof of concept. Can't we, developers, do the opposite? Like introduce a small annoyance, like showing a pop-up, when visitors use Chrome? It could say something like "today is free web day, upgrade your browser to Firefox or any other libre browser"

HTTP status code 452: Unavailable for ideological reasons.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by roca »

amelius wrote: post #289
ljm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

> “Only works in Chrome,” is poor engineering for anything more than a prototype or proof of concept. Can't we, developers, do the opposite? Like introduce a small annoyance, like showing a pop-up, when visitors use Chrome? It could say something like "today is free web day, upgrade your browser to Firefox or any other libre browser"

What you, as Web developers, can do, is use Firefox while developing your site to ensure it really works well on non-Chromium browsers. And do your level best to encourage your developer friends to do the same. If they're on Mac and would rather use Safari, that'll do too.

Then, every time you see any site or any Web developer satisfied with "works in Chrome", do what you can to let them know that's not acceptable. In a polite, loving, and extremely firm manner of course.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by newscracker »

This is a good move by Google to promote Firefox. We should use this opportunity to inform laypersons about Firefox and the freedom it provides with ad blocking (which includes protecting oneself from malware too).

Mozilla should use this for a PR move (even though the bulk of its revenues come from having Google as the default search engine in many geographies).

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by roca »

user17843 wrote: post #109
ljm wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why it’s so unfortunate and frustrating that people are depending so much on Chromium/Blink. Electron, various browsers that are just skins over the embedded framework... We were still dealing with legacy IE6 (and IE 7/8 by that point also) in 2013! Almost a decade since we got Firefox and the first version of Chrome. The web has empirically suffered through homogeneity and the lack of strong competitors in t…

The problem is the only way to combat Google in this regards would be for smaller players to come together and form an open-source working group based on a chromium fork. (The train has already left the station for anything besides WebKit or Blink, since the lack of accessibility of Gecko means it will never be adopted by anyone else.) But most of them are directly financed by Google and have almost no common ground…

What do you mean "lack of accessibility of Gecko"? Did you mean "lack of embedability"?

Gecko's embedability sucks ... on desktop. But that's not inevitable, it's just a matter of priorities and resources. On Android it's getting a lot better and something like GeckoView on Android could be made to work on desktop too ... if there's demand and perceived benefit.

(Mozilla's in the middle of upgrading Gecko's multiprocess support for fine-grained "site isolation" so now might not be the ideal time to stabilize embedding APIs.)

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

How long until Google starts threatening to disable your account if you're detected using a 3rd party ad blocker?

Essentially building a paywall around their services, where receiving their ads is the subscription cost.

Is this a realistic extrapolation of the direction they're moving?

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by vernie »

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

Firefox lost its only advantage when it deprecated its more powerful extension APIs in favor of WebExtensions.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by teamspirit »

anonymous5133 wrote: post #343
notatoad wrote: post #260

Not only is this enough to get me switching back to firefox, it's enough that my next laptop purchase won't be another chromebook the internet without an adblocker is simply not usable for me.

If google moves forward with this we should all start randomly clicking on ads until advertisers start to realize that they're basically throwing their money away on advertising that doesn't work :) Let's hit 'em where it hurts.

Someone just posted this to HN: AdNauseam[0]. It appears to describe what you say.

[0] https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by starik36 »

toddwprice wrote: post #449
behringer wrote: post #391

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If it doesn't work in Firefox I don't use it. I've been using Firefox for as long as I can remember, probably shortly after it was made and Netscape died. And would never use Chrome. Chrome users are now going to be betrayed and just didn't see it coming. I look forward to Firefox' upcoming rebound which I have every faith this news will spur on.

I came back to Firefox a while back - maybe a year or two? - and have never regretted it. It's a fast, modern, respectful browser. Maintained by a non-profit. I do all my front-end dev work in Firefox, and also test in Chrome. Never had a problem. Come on back folks!

My experience exactly. The dev tools have caught up to chrome and in some ways surpassed it.
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