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Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by esturk »

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

My issue with Firefox is essentially one bug where they refuse to fix. In private mode, previously closed tabs are, for some reasons, restorable. This doesn't happen for Safari or Chrome.

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Post by benatkin »

Aeolun wrote: post #235
AaronFriel wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That part of the code doesn't exist in a vacuum, and it's baked in at a rather low level in the browser. That's how it can block requests! In JavaScript! Google will begin by deprecating the webRequest block API (that's in progress). Then they will begin deprecating the code that supports it. Then they will begin removing and deleting the "unnecessary" code. Then, at some point in the future, they may make other brea…

Ostensibly Microsofts browser team is the size of Googles’. They could just fork once and never look back. Merging incompatible changes seems like a win compared to doing everything themselves.

That's what Apple did by forking KHTML and starting the Webkit project. KHTML is still maintained and both KHTML and Webkit can be used in KDE.

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Post by pedrocx486 »

roca wrote: post #79
nicoburns wrote: post #27

The new Chromium based Edge suddenly got a whole lot more relevant. I certainly won't use Chrome if I can't have an ad-blocker!

Did you miss the part where these Google decisions affect all Chromium browsers?

Unless they backfill it... I can see Microsoft going all out with Edge Chromium and Brave also trying their best. Both have manpower to try overcome Google's decisions on Chromium with their forks.

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Post by vageli »

amelius wrote: post #295
thrower123 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's largely proven by decades of experience at this point that you cannot make the average software user care about ideological concerns. Especially if you use terms like libre that don't makes any sense to people that haven't drunk the FOSS koolaid.

Ok, then it could be played a little harder, for example by introducing a (small) performance penality for visitors that use chrome.

> Ok, then it could be played a little harder, for example by introducing a (small) performance penality for visitors that use chrome.

Good luck convincing your product owner of the necessity of that change. Most large enterprises won't do something like this.

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Post by johannkokos »

finder83 wrote: post #309
ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I just switched to Firefox today after a few years hiatus, and I agree that it is hugely improved, and rendering speed is at least on part with Chrome if not faster. They've done a great job with it, and the dev tools seem greatly improved in the developer edition as well. The issue I have with firefox on both Linux and Windows is not speed, but stability. I think it's the process model. Windows freeze if I open too…

How many tabs do you consider to be too many tabs? Most of the time I open up to 10 tabs, and Firefox is performing fine. But I have also seen people opening 40 tabs.

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Post by teh_klev »

jerieljan wrote: post #280
teh_klev wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox isn't quite there. How about a sane Profile manager? This is something I use heavily on Chrome. The "about:profiles" UI doesn't cut it. Also when I use Firefox on my non-work Fedora machines (and this is going from Fedora 21 to 29) it seriously chews up memory and CPU. Facebook (yeah, I know) is rendered unusable after about 30 mins. And as other post(s) have pointed out, video playback can be a bit janky. Th…

> How about a sane Profile manager? This is something I use heavily on Chrome. The "about:profiles" UI doesn't cut it. What's your thoughts on Multi-Account Containers? I think it's better to use if your use case for multiple profiles is to keep sessions separate (i.e., keeping work and personal logins to clearly identifiable tabs / windows) It's not as thorough compared to switching entire profiles but sometimes the…

They're just not the same. I need total isolation, and again the UI experience leaves a lot to be desired.

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Post by ptmcc »

bradstewart wrote: post #93
irrational wrote: post #85

I don't get it. I've used Firefox and Chrome for years. Firefox is easily as good and capable as Chrome. The barrier to switch from Chrome to Firefox is almost non-existent. Is Google counting on the majority of people not being knowledgeable enough or motivated enough to switch browsers?

I've been using Firefox for the last two weeks or so. It's fine, but noticeably slower (on a 2018 MacBook Pro) when opening new tabs and especially dragging tabs into new windows. It also seems to get stuck resolving DNS sometimes, which is probably an artifact of the corporate network, but Chrome doesn't have that problem.

> It also seems to get stuck resolving DNS sometimes, which is probably an artifact of the corporate network, but Chrome doesn't have that problem.

OMG I thought I was the only one running into this exact same problem! This has been a deal killer for me.

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Post by SquareWheel »

notatoad wrote: post #260

Not only is this enough to get me switching back to firefox, it's enough that my next laptop purchase won't be another chromebook the internet without an adblocker is simply not usable for me.

Manifest V3 still supports ad blocking. I don't know why so many in this thread think it doesn't.

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Post by shoeboxam »

jchw wrote: post #263
King-Aaron wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the only reason I keep falling back to Chrome, the dev tools are just so much more refined.

The one thing I always liked about Chrome dev tools was the ability to introspect WebSocket frames. Last I checked this couldn’t be done in Firefox :( Otherwise, I have found Firefox dev tools to be fairly competitive. I liked the CSS Grid stuff they had around the launch of Quantum; it made it easier for me to jump into Grid.

I use Firefox personally, but develop with Chrome. I have a hard time getting stack traces from Firefox reliably. Oftentimes one of the following occurs on Firefox:

There is no error, but the page won't load. There is an error, but the error message is generic. There is an error message, but no stack trace.

When I switch to chrome, I always get the error and stack trace without any further code modifications.

I make sure to clean up for Firefox in releases. But it's just impossible to develop without error messages and traces. I'm on Ubuntu using the latest stable releases.

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Post by benatkin »

Zelphyr wrote: post #278

I’ve been hesitant to agree with calls in the past to break Google up, but now it’s time. This is Google choosing what’s best for their investors over what’s right for the community. This is Google doing evil.

I found your comment grayed out. I think the Google downvote brigade is out in full force. Your comment may contain no information but it's the opinion of someone who hangs out on HN regularly!
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