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Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by _iyig »

xucheng wrote: post #16
wangii wrote: post #13

IronCurtain V2.0?

Or McCarthyism 2.0.

Funny thing - McCarthy was right, in a sense: KGB informants were all throughout U.S. government and industry [0]. Unfortunately, he accused and abused lots of innocent people, so this fact is often overlooked.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/685lp2/was_j...

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by orwin »

est wrote: post #39
teh_infallible wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple, most likely. They seem like the easiest target.

Actually it's Boeing.

By targeting Boeing, they really are targeting FAA power over other national or transnational agencies. Can this cause repercussion on other US agency power? I know that FDA ruling is mostly ignored in western countries, and this do not impact any other US-based agencies, so maybe it won't have any other consequences.

If this only impact Boeing the US should be glad. And Boeing deserve a slap anyway. Their decision killed more than 300 people and the people responsible won't really be impacted (as the marginal utility of the money decrease the more you already have).

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by dougspencer »

_iyig wrote: post #41
xucheng wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or McCarthyism 2.0.

Funny thing - McCarthy was right, in a sense: KGB informants were all throughout U.S. government and industry [0]. Unfortunately, he accused and abused lots of innocent people, so this fact is often overlooked. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/685lp2/was_j...

Ridiculous and a laughable accusation. The page you referred to has nothing substantial. Both Rosenberg and Hiss are proved to be innocent quickly but lots of people became silent because of McCarthy. If you want to go back to the dark ages, go yourself. Do not put your insensible sense to all the knowledgable people here.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by edwinyzh »

rememberdeath wrote: post #21
itoutsider wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?

Why is that a reason to ban academics?

These Chinese gov did't intend to ban academics, but political materials. But since they value their own benefits much higher than the benefits of academics to the Chinese people, they ban all the things, maybe because it's not technically easy to just ban individual pages given the huge amount of the materials. That's a very bad thing to ban the free Internet access.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by _iyig »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29

If the US intends to rile up the the Chinese population for decades to come, well I guess they're on a good path. Unbelievable.

The Chinese government needs no help in portraying this, or any other propionate U.S. response to Chinese trade policy, as an “insult to the Chinese people” and an outrage. Seriously, they’ve done it with much smaller stuff. It’s basically Fox News all the time in mainland Chinese news media, with government scriptwriters.

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Huawei got removed from the. blacklist as part of the ongoing U.S.-China trade negotiations, a la ZTE. Trump has already publicly mentioned this possibility. I hope this comes to pass, as reviewing IEEE papers seems like a fairly harmless activity.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by _iyig »

dougspencer wrote: post #45
_iyig wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny thing - McCarthy was right, in a sense: KGB informants were all throughout U.S. government and industry [0]. Unfortunately, he accused and abused lots of innocent people, so this fact is often overlooked. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/685lp2/was_j...

Ridiculous and a laughable accusation. The page you referred to has nothing substantial. Both Rosenberg and Hiss are proved to be innocent quickly but lots of people became silent because of McCarthy. If you want to go back to the dark ages, go yourself. Do not put your insensible sense to all the knowledgable people here.

Are you challenging the fact that the U.S.S.R. had extensive espionage networks in the U.S. during the 1950s, including the Rosenbergs who were in fact guilty of spying for the Soviet Union?

McCarthysim per se was horrible, but the fact remains that the Red Scare was grounded in historical truth.

https://www.amazon.com/Venona-Decoding-Espionage-America-Com...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

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