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Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by rememberdeath » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:33 AM UTC

itoutsider wrote: post #19

lpcvoid wrote: post #7

This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.

Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?

Why is that a reason to ban academics?

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by lpcvoid » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC

itoutsider wrote: post #19

lpcvoid wrote: post #7

This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.

Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?

No, that's not great either. That's the Chinese gov wanting to block knowledge from outside about political events, probably. This is something worse though in my opinion, since it actively halts innovation standardization which shouldn't have anything to do with politics.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by lpcvoid » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:36 AM UTC

david6767 wrote: post #18

The Chinese steal our Intellectual Property. They must be punished.

I'm by no means a friend of the chinese in a lot of ways, but that's a broad generalization.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by orangeX » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:36 AM UTC

IEEE is just for US, not for humanity. It should be shame of that VISION—"IEEE is the world’s largest technical professional organization dedicated to advancing technology for the benefit of humanity."

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by xucheng » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:37 AM UTC

itoutsider wrote: post #19

lpcvoid wrote: post #7

This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.

Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?

One is caused by an authoritarian government, the other one is applied to individual researchers and academic freedom as whole.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by astatine » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:38 AM UTC

Standards bodies, industry associations and the like are multi-country organizations. No single country should be able to prevent others from participating in such organizations. IEEE today and a few days ago the SD card and WiFi alliance banning Huawei seem to ignore the views of the members from the multitude of other countries who are also members of those orgs. Egregious violations of some written or unwritten code of conduct needs to be handled by multi-lateral institutions. For lack of a better organization, some wing of the UN perhaps?

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by wangii » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:39 AM UTC

itoutsider wrote: post #19

lpcvoid wrote: post #7

This is just ridiculous. This goes way beyond what they originally intended with stopping suspected IP Theft or backdoors by Huawei. This is a black day for academic progress and research in general.

Google Scholar or Wikipedia websites has been banned in China for a decade, Do you think this is ridiculous?

yes, it is. and it's perfectly reasonable for US gov to be stupid since Chinese had been :D

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by rememberdeath » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:40 AM UTC

astatine wrote: post #26

Standards bodies, industry associations and the like are multi-country organizations. No single country should be able to prevent others from participating in such organizations. IEEE today and a few days ago the SD card and WiFi alliance banning Huawei seem to ignore the views of the members from the multitude of other countries who are also members of those orgs. Egregious violations of some written or unwritten co…

Just wanted to add that IEEE is much more than a standards body. Lot's of conferences are held by IEEE.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by Barrin92 » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:41 AM UTC

If the US intends to rile up the the Chinese population for decades to come, well I guess they're on a good path. Unbelievable.

Re: IEEE forced to ban Huawei employees from peer-reviewing papers

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Post by astatine » Wed, May 29, 2019, 6:43 AM UTC

rememberdeath wrote: post #28

astatine wrote: post #26

Standards bodies, industry associations and the like are multi-country organizations. No single country should be able to prevent others from participating in such organizations. IEEE today and a few days ago the SD card and WiFi alliance banning Huawei seem to ignore the views of the members from the multitude of other countries who are also members of those orgs. Egregious violations of some written or unwritten co…

Just wanted to add that IEEE is much more than a standards body. Lot's of conferences are held by IEEE.

Oh yes. I am an IEEE member of reasonably long standing and this just complicates things for everyone, particularly for IEEE chapters in other countries where Huawei may have a presence and are active participants locally.