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Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by aldoushuxley001 »

mindfulplay wrote: post #49

Why do they even bother answering allegations? If the other group believes whatever they believe in, any answer or evidence will only bolster their claims because they are already way into the pseudoscience camp. I don't like the taste of it but by golly I am going to support these new fangled vegan stuff: they are doing the right thing. Without GMOs a billion people in India will not be alive today. So let's not giv…

"Without GMOs a billion people in India will not be alive today. So let's not give these people any more attention than they deserve."

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you don't have any evidence to back up this hyperbolic claim.

It doesn't help your case by making up data especially when you're denigrating psuedoscience in the same breath.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by uxcolumbo »

jressey wrote: post #69
ebg13 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not a fan of Impossible Do you have anything written up on why? I haven't heard anyone say that yet.

I'm not that poster but I am not a fan of Impossible Burgers because they're weird vegetable patties. That said you can eat what you want, but I agree that this company won me over today, politically at least. I doubt I'll try their burger.

I haven't tried it yet.

What's weird about their patty?

And what's stopping you from trying?

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by derefr »

hannob wrote: post #9

This isn't helpful. I don't like use of pesticides and I think there's a reasonable controversy to be had about the dangers of Glyphosate. But the environmental impact of meat production is so enormous desastrous, we should welcome every possible alternative. Whatever the Glyphosate (and GMO) concerns are, they are tiny in comparison.

> I don't like use of pesticides and I think there's a reasonable controversy to be had about the dangers of Glyphosate.

There's an important economic perspective to pesticide use: farmers are going to be doing whatever they can to kill enough pests to protect their crops and get a satisfactory yield/ROI.

That means that, the more effective a pesticide is, the less of it they need to use; and the less effective a pesticide is, the more of it they need to use. Since the dangers to humans/other animals come from the amount of pesticide left on something after washing, the seemingly-equivalent "less, more-powerful" pesticide is actually much less dangerous than "more, less-powerful" pesticide, because it's more likely to be completely removed from the end product.

If we ban the most effective pesticides, the alternative is using more of the less-effective pesticides to get an equivalent effect. Which means getting food that likely has more pesticide left over on it.

This also applies to "organic" food: "organic" pesticides are less effective, so they use more of them, so "organic" food ends up having more pesticide left on it than non-"organic" food.

So, if you're not a fan of pesticide in the sense that you're not a fan of eating pesticide, then you should want farmers to be equipped with as powerful a pesticide as possible.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by applecrazy »

UnFleshedOne wrote: post #47
roywiggins wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people sell barely-regulated supplements such as this extremely normal "hydrogen water": https://shop.momsacrossamerica.com/collections/health-soluti... > An additional benefit is that H2 Elite generates an electron-rich potential (-ORP) in the water (you can measure it!). This rare property is uniquely found in fresh, raw living foods and juices, mothers milk and many of the world’s healing waters. And this ex…

> What is Molecular Hydrogen, H2? > Hydrogen is the first and most abundant element in the Universe! So let us sell you some for low cost of $60! Is this a new way of selling snow to Eskimo?

Legend has it that adding more H2 to your H2O turns it into H3O, which decreases the pH of the water to match the acidic nature of your stomach! /s

But seriously, these kinds of “truth blogs” do more harm and spread FUD that undermines public support for environmentally beneficial food sources.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by irickt »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #72
jressey wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not that poster but I am not a fan of Impossible Burgers because they're weird vegetable patties. That said you can eat what you want, but I agree that this company won me over today, politically at least. I doubt I'll try their burger.

I haven't tried it yet. What's weird about their patty? And what's stopping you from trying?

It's an uncanny valley of food. It tries so hard to simulate meat that it emphasizes its fakeness. Personally I prefer a simple vegetable patty that's not trying to be what it is not.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by EForEndeavour »

irickt wrote: post #75
uxcolumbo wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't tried it yet. What's weird about their patty? And what's stopping you from trying?

It's an uncanny valley of food. It tries so hard to simulate meat that it emphasizes its fakeness. Personally I prefer a simple vegetable patty that's not trying to be what it is not.

I thought all veggie patties to date have fallen into the "uncanny valley of food," whereas the Impossible patty is intended (and purported) to cross it entirely.

People eat too much meat. The closer meat alternatives taste to actual meat, the more people will switch. So I strongly support innovation in this space.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by EForEndeavour »

howard941 wrote: post #51
mindfulplay wrote: post #49

Why do they even bother answering allegations? If the other group believes whatever they believe in, any answer or evidence will only bolster their claims because they are already way into the pseudoscience camp. I don't like the taste of it but by golly I am going to support these new fangled vegan stuff: they are doing the right thing. Without GMOs a billion people in India will not be alive today. So let's not giv…

Failing to answer may be construed as a pregnant admission.

Is "pregnant admission" a typo, or a mutation from the phrase "pregnant pause"? If the latter, the metaphor is lost, as "pregnant" does not mean "tacit." https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/7/messages/348.htm...

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by EForEndeavour »

derefr wrote: post #73
hannob wrote: post #9

This isn't helpful. I don't like use of pesticides and I think there's a reasonable controversy to be had about the dangers of Glyphosate. But the environmental impact of meat production is so enormous desastrous, we should welcome every possible alternative. Whatever the Glyphosate (and GMO) concerns are, they are tiny in comparison.

> I don't like use of pesticides and I think there's a reasonable controversy to be had about the dangers of Glyphosate. There's an important economic perspective to pesticide use: farmers are going to be doing whatever they can to kill enough pests to protect their crops and get a satisfactory yield/ROI. That means that, the more effective a pesticide is, the less of it they need to use; and the less effective a pes…

This assumes that all pesticides have the same effects at the same dosages in humans, which would be surprising if true.

Sure, the more potent the pesticide, the less growers need to use, and the less residual pesticide ends up ingested by people. But it's impossible to say anything about the relative harm of a small residual amount of potent pesticide versus a larger residual amount of less potent (and chemically different) pesticide.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by intopieces »

sauwan wrote: post #23
tptacek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also came from farmers who were using glyphosate solutions that included many other chemicals, and no doubt came into contact with a variety of other pesticides. A direct link between glyphosate and actual illness has not been established.

>has not been established Then why are lawsuits that claim those links have been established winning regularly in courts now?

Because those lawsuits were determined by a jury of non scientists.
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