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Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by WillPostForFood »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #7
searine wrote: post #4

"Mom's Across America" is a well known science denying hotbed who stoke fear of GMOs, chemicals, and vaccines. They don't care whether or not glyphosate is safe or not. They care that impossible foods is getting headlines, and they want to get a piece of it by introducing FUD. Impossible is 100% right to do a hard reply to this. These people aren't interested in honest debate or product safety and the world needs to…

That's a strong allegation. Why do you believe it?

Founder of Moms Across America:

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2016/11/1746-zen-honeycutt...

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by sauwan »

tptacek wrote: post #20
intopieces wrote: post #10

If I recall correctly, the Glyphosate cancer allegations come from farmers who inhaled it day in and day out for years - a totally different ingestion model from eating it in small amounts.

They also came from farmers who were using glyphosate solutions that included many other chemicals, and no doubt came into contact with a variety of other pesticides. A direct link between glyphosate and actual illness has not been established.

>has not been established

Then why are lawsuits that claim those links have been established winning regularly in courts now?

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by kbutler »

roywiggins wrote: post #6
searine wrote: post #4

"Mom's Across America" is a well known science denying hotbed who stoke fear of GMOs, chemicals, and vaccines. They don't care whether or not glyphosate is safe or not. They care that impossible foods is getting headlines, and they want to get a piece of it by introducing FUD. Impossible is 100% right to do a hard reply to this. These people aren't interested in honest debate or product safety and the world needs to…

These people sell barely-regulated supplements such as this extremely normal "hydrogen water": https://shop.momsacrossamerica.com/collections/health-soluti... > An additional benefit is that H2 Elite generates an electron-rich potential (-ORP) in the water (you can measure it!). This rare property is uniquely found in fresh, raw living foods and juices, mothers milk and many of the world’s healing waters. And this ex…

I love that they claim completely unspecified "health benefits" of -ORP (but "not on the scale of molecular hydrogen) while deriding the previous claims of also unspecified "health benefits" from pH of water (high pH or low pH?).

And that the ingredients list in the text doesn't match the ingredients list in the image of the bottle.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by tptacek »

sauwan wrote: post #23
tptacek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also came from farmers who were using glyphosate solutions that included many other chemicals, and no doubt came into contact with a variety of other pesticides. A direct link between glyphosate and actual illness has not been established.

>has not been established Then why are lawsuits that claim those links have been established winning regularly in courts now?

Beats me. I think Impossible is right when they say:

“Proven to be carcinogenic” is a ridiculous claim, refuted by multiple government agencies, including EFSA, Germany, Canada, and the World Health Organization (WHO), who determined that glyphosate exposure in the human diet is unlikely a carcinogenic risk. No regulatory authority in the world considers glyphosate to be carcinogenic to humans at current exposure levels.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by zymhan »

sauwan wrote: post #23
tptacek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also came from farmers who were using glyphosate solutions that included many other chemicals, and no doubt came into contact with a variety of other pesticides. A direct link between glyphosate and actual illness has not been established.

>has not been established Then why are lawsuits that claim those links have been established winning regularly in courts now?

Because you don't actually need to prove causation to win a civil court case.

Causation vs correlation is key in science, but is not the standard used in judging civil litigation.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by bluGill »

sauwan wrote: post #23
tptacek wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also came from farmers who were using glyphosate solutions that included many other chemicals, and no doubt came into contact with a variety of other pesticides. A direct link between glyphosate and actual illness has not been established.

>has not been established Then why are lawsuits that claim those links have been established winning regularly in courts now?

Courts do not require established science to win. They just require deep pockets on the side of the loser. Glyphosate is made by big companies that have money, so if a lawyer can convince a jury they are responsible the lawyer gets a lot of money.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

bad_user wrote: post #18
hannob wrote: post #9

This isn't helpful. I don't like use of pesticides and I think there's a reasonable controversy to be had about the dangers of Glyphosate. But the environmental impact of meat production is so enormous desastrous, we should welcome every possible alternative. Whatever the Glyphosate (and GMO) concerns are, they are tiny in comparison.

>> " the environmental impact of meat production is so enormous desastrous " Reference, please. In case you haven't seen what industrial plants agriculture looks like nowadays: https://www.ecowatch.com/europes-dirty-little-secret-morocca... The anti-meat propaganda is getting obnoxious. The most sustainable agriculture is one in which the soil is fertilised with manure and rotated livestock, because grazing animals k…

I'm just glad I got to read this comment before r/vegan showed up and downvoted it into oblivion. Such is the current state of discourse around this subject on HN.

We need to eat less meat, we need to look after animals better and we need to do it in a much more eco-friendly and sustainable manner. We don't all need to go vegan. Going from one extreme to another is never the answer.

Re: Impossible Foods Responds to Glyphosate Allegation

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Post by pacala »

intopieces wrote: post #10

If I recall correctly, the Glyphosate cancer allegations come from farmers who inhaled it day in and day out for years - a totally different ingestion model from eating it in small amounts.

Not so different than eating it in small amounts day in and day out for years.
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