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Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Right now, the cheapest "new" video card sold directly by Newegg is a $35 NVidia 210 which was new in 2010. Interestingly, reviews from that time period suggest that it sold for $30 after rebate. It has HDMI, DVI and VGA ports. In the $50 range you can get an R7 350, which promises 4K support (although I suspect that will be at 30Hz) and would certainly be enough to light a monitor with enough oomph to put shadows an…

> In the $50 range you can get an R7 350, which promises 4K support (although I suspect that will be at 30Hz) It supports 4k@60. It looks like everything with a GCN core does, so most 7xxx, most 2xx, and all 3xx.

Fine Wine :)

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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You could pick a Ryzen with "G", like the Ryzen 5 2400G, though... They have an integrated GPU.

Unfortunately there were no desktop G parts (APUs) on the Zen+ architecture (as far as I know.) And they're not in the first round of Zen 2 either. The 2400G, which I think is currently the top desktop APU, launched in Feb. 2018 and has four cores.

four cores eight threads

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #197

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Right now, the cheapest "new" video card sold directly by Newegg is a $35 NVidia 210 which was new in 2010. Interestingly, reviews from that time period suggest that it sold for $30 after rebate. It has HDMI, DVI and VGA ports. In the $50 range you can get an R7 350, which promises 4K support (although I suspect that will be at 30Hz) and would certainly be enough to light a monitor with enough oomph to put shadows an…

> In the $50 range you can get an R7 350, which promises 4K support (although I suspect that will be at 30Hz) It supports 4k@60. It looks like everything with a GCN core does, so most 7xxx, most 2xx, and all 3xx.

I think the older Radeons only support 4k@60 over DisplayPort though, HDMI support for it is relatively new.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Read that often here tonight. Is there a killer app for single core performance other than UI/UX?

In all seriousness, I've been wanting better single threaded performance for running a Minecraft server.

Intel just announced the i9-9900KS which has 8 cores all 5GHz. That should be top single core perf.

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I know of the G series and I know why they are usually a GEN behind specially given the quality of discrete graphics AMD has and they need to sale. But for work, for just productivity a lot of the savings washes up with the GPU. It used to be that you get super lowend graphics card for those workload but these days almost the lowest price GPU is ~90.

$39: https://www.newegg.com/visiontek-radeon-5450-900860/p/N82E16... Hardly the latest technology but you can plug a monitor into it.

ah the OG king of HTPC/Media PC Graphics card. I used to have one in a HTPC paired with an Intel Q6600

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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You could pick a Ryzen with "G", like the Ryzen 5 2400G, though... They have an integrated GPU.

Unfortunately there were no desktop G parts (APUs) on the Zen+ architecture (as far as I know.) And they're not in the first round of Zen 2 either. The 2400G, which I think is currently the top desktop APU, launched in Feb. 2018 and has four cores.

The Zen+ APUs should be out soonish. Can find plenty of information about the Ryzen 3 3200G and 3400G, but no release date :P

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It is amazingly cheap (compared to the intel's 1.1K), wonder what could be the reason behind it.

They probably have something secret to counter intel in the 1k range. Probably 128 cores spread across a square-foot of silicon. Enough output that you can boil your coffee while gaming.

You can do a reasonable drip coffee off 300 watts, so that future is already here!

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #105

I'm really looking forward to this. But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such. I know intel iGPU haven't been terribly good but for work they are good enough and is one less part and cheaper to boot. For same performance a Ryzen 3rd gen + gpu might still be cheaper but the price advantage gets reduced. I haven't really seen that me…

> But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such.

What? No you don't. They literally have an entire line dedicated to the exact use case you mentioned (CPU w/ iGPU for business use):

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-pro-2400g

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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>But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such. AMD just aren't selling many CPUs to business desktop system integrators, partly due to dubious tactics by Intel to keep them out of the market. If you sell most of your CPUs to enthusiasts, it just doesn't make sense to squander die area on a crappy iGPU. Gamers obviously want a fast GPU…

> AMD just aren't selling many CPUs to business desktop system integrators, partly due to dubious tactics by Intel to keep them out of the market. If you sell most of your CPUs to enthusiasts, it just doesn't make sense to squander die area on a crappy iGPU. I'm a developer, and I want fast build times. I don't need a dedicated GPU for that. Right now I'm squandering money and power on a dedicated GPU which is probab…

Same here. I recently did a Ryzen 7 build with a Thin-ITX board.

https://penguindreams.org/blog/louqe-ghost-s1-build-and-revi...

I have a separate gaming machine, and would have rather just used the integrated for my Linux machine. It doesn't look like AMD is refreshing their APU lineup at all in this release. Did I miss it, or are there no APUs in the list?

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #105

I'm really looking forward to this. But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such. I know intel iGPU haven't been terribly good but for work they are good enough and is one less part and cheaper to boot. For same performance a Ryzen 3rd gen + gpu might still be cheaper but the price advantage gets reduced. I haven't really seen that me…

The 2400G existed. It's a lower end chip, but has the GPU you want.
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