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Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Yup. Just waiting on the benchmarks from independent reviewers and to see how XFR in this generation works but I’ll be getting a Ryzen 9 if everything checks out. 24 threads will be amazing for local development (microk8s, and others) when I’m not gaming and save me from having to build a separate box.

Do you work on a desktop machine? At home?

Why not? Lot's of FOSS development happens this way.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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I really expected a 16C/32T Ryzen 9 though.

Potentially is a yield issue / segmentation issue. Releasing the top SKU as a 12 core instead of 16 core part gives AMD: 1.) Still the highest core count "Mainstream" part. I would expect Intel to fire back with a higher IPC / thread performance part rather then try and ramp core counts. Outside of productivity, content creation and server workloads I really don't see the need for anything past 6-8 cores right now. 2…

It's interesting though that Ryzen 9 is almost the highest clocked part of the bunch.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad ram that doesn't perform to spec is the cause most of the time. Ryzen runs them tight to spec, whereas intel is more relaxed. Here tight is better, but it also means exposing lies in manufacturer specs on ram. Cheapening on ram is never a good idea, but there's always the option of configuring more relaxed timings on the firmware settings, if the ram isn't up to its advertised spec. It's also possible your CPU is…

I started getting crashes recently and so I did a memtest64 run. A couple of errors... but only in one of the tests. I backed the memory clocks down from 3200 (which it's supposed to be rated for) to 3000 and it passed with no errors.

Are you running correct voltage for 3200? Double check the spec! (Got bitten by this).

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #16
post #2

I really expected a 16C/32T Ryzen 9 though.

Potentially is a yield issue / segmentation issue. Releasing the top SKU as a 12 core instead of 16 core part gives AMD: 1.) Still the highest core count "Mainstream" part. I would expect Intel to fire back with a higher IPC / thread performance part rather then try and ramp core counts. Outside of productivity, content creation and server workloads I really don't see the need for anything past 6-8 cores right now. 2…

1) Intel won't be able to, at least not until they finally manage to get the new architecture out. Heat is already a huge issue for intel.

2) AMD might be saving perfect core chiplets, but probably mostly for use in EPYC as the margins are higher.

4) I expect 16 core am4 to arrive someday.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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I'm really looking forward to this. But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such. I know intel iGPU haven't been terribly good but for work they are good enough and is one less part and cheaper to boot. For same performance a Ryzen 3rd gen + gpu might still be cheaper but the price advantage gets reduced.

I haven't really seen that mentioned much I wonder why is that. I do love the potential for Zen2 + 7nm. The 65w of 3700x and the high frequency of the 3900X both suggest interesting potential for the future. One could end up seeing that the Ryzen 5, six cores might have higher overclocking headroom.

Then there's of course Navi, the first new GPU core in a long long time.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #13

The Ryzen 7 3700X looks like it hits a sweet spot. 65W TDP, $330, almost as fast as a 9900k. Was originally planning to go for the Ryzen 5, but with these specs it seems silly not to go for the 3700X.

Also with CPU performance starting to taper off I think people need to also start think of their computers as longer term investments. I think the 8 core makes sense. Even my phone has 8 cores now...

I've been hearing this for a long time, but the "taper" isn't really a taper in all markets. In consumer markets, yes the taper is very real. Infact I bet you could take one $500 machine off the shelf of Wal-Mart every year for the past 5 years and benchmark them all within 15% of each other overall.

But it isn't really visible when money is no object. If it's not the cores getting faster it's the core-count going up. Moore's Law is really easy to beat if you focus on making your CPU die's larger instead of their transistors smaller.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #105

I'm really looking forward to this. But one issue with current AMD cpu is that you have to buy a desktop GPU even when you are not doing any kind of gaming and such. I know intel iGPU haven't been terribly good but for work they are good enough and is one less part and cheaper to boot. For same performance a Ryzen 3rd gen + gpu might still be cheaper but the price advantage gets reduced. I haven't really seen that me…

You could pick a Ryzen with "G", like the Ryzen 5 2400G, though... They have an integrated GPU.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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post #13

The Ryzen 7 3700X looks like it hits a sweet spot. 65W TDP, $330, almost as fast as a 9900k. Was originally planning to go for the Ryzen 5, but with these specs it seems silly not to go for the 3700X.

Also with CPU performance starting to taper off I think people need to also start think of their computers as longer term investments. I think the 8 core makes sense. Even my phone has 8 cores now...

CPU performance has increased a lot lately, mainly because of amd. ARM CPUs and x86 are apples and oranges.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

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Takes guts to stick with that core count and at least you get to enjoy the full 70MB of cache. Good thing Blender and Cinebench all fits inside that, not sure you can ever say the same for productivity workloads.

I guess AM4 also means no real improvements on the PCIe lane count: Would love to see real and IF switches to give a bit of flexibility and what they plan for a new Threadripper.

Re: AMD Ryzen 3000 announced

#110
post #93

Yup. Just waiting on the benchmarks from independent reviewers and to see how XFR in this generation works but I’ll be getting a Ryzen 9 if everything checks out. 24 threads will be amazing for local development (microk8s, and others) when I’m not gaming and save me from having to build a separate box.

Do you work on a desktop machine? At home?

I do a lot of work related experiments at home for my own learning and to help what I do for my employer.
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