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Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really true though? What abiut python and javascript for example? Did they have a giant corp behind them?

... Python was led by a Google employee for seven years.

One of the first languages supported on App Engine was Python, IIRC.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really true though? What abiut python and javascript for example? Did they have a giant corp behind them?

... Python was led by a Google employee for seven years.

Does it matter where the person worked? Python definitely was not Google’s or any other corp’s.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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A very well written piece by Ian Lance Taylor. If you don't want to read it all, he summarizes it here: > In effect, then, the current state is what the blog post suggests at the very end: final decisions about the Go language are made by the core Go team, and the core Go team all work at Google, but there is no meaningful sense in which Google, apart from the core Go team, makes decisions about the language.

My takeaway from this is that there is no active attempt to influence the direction of Go to fit Google's agenda and that's a good thing. However, active influence isn't necessary to shape Go's direction and functionality. Probably the best example of this are the twin canker sores of GOPATH and dep. Anyone who has wanted to develop multiple projects in isolation has run into issues with these two and the way that they work-but-don't-really. For Google, this doesn't and will never matter because use of blaze / bazel is assumed and any problems relating to GOPATH or dependency management were likely addressed eons ago.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Google’s takeover of deja news and its formation into groups.google.com was always a mess, but it seems to have got even worse. Now it’s at the point I can’t access the article on iOS safari. First it forced me to log on. Ok I did that. After which the redirects lost the deep link, so I reached a generic landing page. I tried going back but there were more redirects which made that difficult. I finally came back to H…

Same here... I feel like I am in some sort of nostalgic jQuery mobile museum.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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post #4

A very well written piece by Ian Lance Taylor. If you don't want to read it all, he summarizes it here: > In effect, then, the current state is what the blog post suggests at the very end: final decisions about the Go language are made by the core Go team, and the core Go team all work at Google, but there is no meaningful sense in which Google, apart from the core Go team, makes decisions about the language.

That's like saying "the politicians all made up their own minds being in favor of the new pro-corporations law" - the fact that 99% of their donations came from the corporations that benefit from the law is "irrelevant."

Nonsense. You don't even realize there is an underlying bias when you get paid by someone to do something.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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post #58

Everyone's upset that Go is Google's language, but no one would have adopted it if it weren't. It's not enough to have a cool idea for a language, even if your cool idea is not to put any new cool ideas in the language. You have to be Mozilla, or Google, or someone it seems in order to convince people this language is for real and will be supported for many years to come, and will have a healthy ecosystem. If I had m…

What about Ruby?

Basecamp.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Keep reading; further down the thread, Rob "Commander" Pike found it "a surprise" that Google trademarked Go. Maybe Pike feels that Go isn't Google's language, but it certainly seems that Google does indeed have a modicum of control over Go, and that that control is above and beyond the Go authors' perception.

Of course not, it's not Google's language, it's Rob Pike's language. The logo was designed by his wife, and most of the questionable design choices in Go are there because of his opinions, such as the dubious dependency management and lack of generics. A lot of the power of go comes from it being opinionated, but that same opinionated approach is a real pain for some (it turns out common) use cases. With all that sai…

> Of course not, it's not Google's language ...

Well, from a legal perspective Google sure seems to own it:

> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-nuts/6dKNSN0M_kg/axCq...

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